She Means Business: Rachel Hofheins Nilsson, CEO and Founder, on Entrepreneurship

welcome to the know your ship podcast presented by ehub I’m your
host Frank doce we celebrate 10 years this month which is actually wild wow
yeah so crazy it it’s so weird because every year you think you’re done it’s
like oh I don’t know if we’re going to last and then 10 years later it’s like
wow isn’t that crazy how it is for entrepreneurs and I think that’s something
you have to figure out oh yeah as an entrepreneur like you’re going to go
through these times and do you have the grit and determination to stick with
it the vision to stick with it yeah I think every every entrepreneur is like
a tiny bit crazy because it’s so extreme you know like the ups and downs are
so insane yeah but 10 years later you know here you are still going well I
had a I had a chance to talk to somebody about you yeah yeah and and here’s
what he said gear up he said Rachel is so gritty and has the ability to stay
positive under extraordinarily difficult circumstances dang she’s a
remarkable human being whoa I know I didn’t even make that up yeah I didn’t
know I was going to get nailed with that right now that is such a compliment
no who was it Jeremy andris shut up yeah I freaking love Jeremy no yes
absolutely what a boss Jeremy was a guest on this podcast he was fantastic I
think Jeremy let me just tell you because I’ve been working with him for
years and I think there’s been so many times where I’m like oh like there’s
no way this person is really that good and he continually surprises me yeah
truly it’s brought me into tears because it’s like he was an he’s he was the
first investor in rags he was on my board and you hear horror stories because
business doesn’t go great all the time and the way Jeremy has reacted and
shown up it is and and I understand how spread thin he is it is like always
so impressive for reals I I don’t know very many people like that well and
and I would also say he has gone through with Trager some extremely difficult
times and we talked about that but still he has the ability to assist help
have this servant leadership mentality with others around him so it’s really
real too it’s not for show you know and yeah he is I could that that’s really
flattering that’s really nice you know one thing about Jeremy it’s not not
all peaches and cream no with Jeremy Andrew you know because he’s a BYU fan
oh yeah you can’t can’t give him too much credit there it is M Jeremy is
amazing and then he has that one it’s one flaw what one little thing do you
have do you cheer for a team in the state are you oh man so we just launched
uh BYU in Utah Rags that was kind of fun that’s awesome um my brother-in-law
is the head coach at BYU for the men’s volleyball team really so I root for
them absolutely yeah um I love Kyle Whittingham I grew up his his mom was a
neighbor to my grandma across the street really so she would come over in her
big headdress and it was so awesome Nancy Nancy dude well you know Nancy
she’s got some big energy and you can’t not love her no absolutely right she
yeah she will bring it yeah no doubt she shows up full garb she’s ready to go
totally I think I’m I’m kind of a fair weather I I dig both cuz yeah but I I
love the Rivalry it’s an amazing rivalry here’s the thing absolutely that I
always say though I think it’d be really hard to be a BYU fan in the football
because it’s just always such an upset you know it’s like dang it that is so
heartbreaking for all these years you’re getting your booty kicked is that
sad so I kind of want I would love to see them I kind of feel bad for him too
but pull through go you I you don’t feel that bad I don’t just kind of bad
well here’s what I want to talk about I want to know why Jeremy Andress would
say that about you because that is an extraordinary compliment yeah it is so
let’s start in the beginning let’s do it did you grow up here in Utah yeah I
actually yeah most of my life I grew up in Alpine so right around the
mountain very nice yeah yeah so I have there’s seven of us total so six I’m
directly in the middle which probably middle children are the best dude
they’re the wildest my middle child I’m like this is Ultimate Karma man but
they’re the cool they’re the best I’ll take it I’ll take yeah I’m I’m right
in the middle so I have three younger three older we all grew up on Alpine
still super close yeah yeah nice I I Lu out I have a really rad family and
they’re all still around yeah what do generally what are they into now so my
mom and dad actually were kind of entrepreneurial MH growing up my mom made
crafts and would sell them at like local boutiques and she supported our
family while my dad was trying to start his recording business and he ended
up um he toured with the Osman I told you this which is so funny he was so
funny because I grew up watching that show yeah oh yeah it totally so he
ended up doing that he had like one class left in his pre Premed dropped out
went on tour with the Osman which by the way he’s married with two kids and I
give my mom so much credit for being like yeah let’s do it wait he was
married with two kids and one class away from finishing medical school he was
in he was in Premed so he was all almost done okay going to go to med school
got and bailed and went and and started like totally different path right
that Donnie Osman can be Donnie he can be so persuasive right yeah he has
something so he ended up by way best best Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor
Dream Coat of all time is Donnie Osman dude I haven’t seen it but I can
imagine oh it was unbelievable I saw him up at the theater at the University
of Utah it was so awesome amazing yeah okay continue your story so Mom and
Dad kind of did that while growing up and it was it was now as a parent and
then you know being around other other people my age that are raising kids
whatever it it’s really actually uncommon to have parents that have they
they’re they’re not like off the clock you know so for me it was really
normal to see my mom on a sewing machine at 11:00 at night and my dad
constantly he’d be walking around on the phone you know throwing out beats
with his mouth and no let me hear a little hair let me you know it was like
very normal to grow up with people that are constantly building and and
trying to make it work it was like a scrappy environment yeah and so and so
the the story is becoming a little more clear here and so do your siblings
also have this kind of Scrappy grit that you have inherited uh I think it’s
half and half like there I think all of us have a bit of that you know like
my my oldest brother has always been an entrepreneur started multiple
businesses and done really well uh my other brother he he and I ended up we
got to work together on in a restaurant business and watching him with people
and you know he he has this like Scrappy entrepreneurial whatever he never
has started anything but he’s successful in you know people and community and
very social and then my sister ended up she was really really um athletic and
she went and played soccer played college got invited to be on the national
team which I think is just it just shows scrappiness like Mega discipline mhm
you know um and then my three younger it’s kind of funny cuz I had a younger
sister that was 6 years younger and then my parents adopted two others and so
by the time I was 12 when they adopted my two younger sisters and so it’s
kind of interesting watching my parents raise them versus us it’s almost like
two separate families you know what I mean yeah so how was what is the
difference the way you were raised versus your younger siblings what are some
of the the key differences in in how they’re being brought up I mean I think
my parents when we were younger growing up like my mom made all of our
clothes they weren’t totally established they were in the middle of just the
grind MH by the time my little sisters came around you know they were more
established they were they had learned a lot so it’s actually really cool for
me as a parent now to watch my parents parent them and realize like whoa some
of this stuff just doesn’t matter like they were really hard on us for you
know beating up the house or putting dents in the wall now you see my parents
and it’s like whatever like they they which is really good for me to see
because I have three boys where it’s like don’t you don’t need to sweat that
stuff it’s not important and so it’s kind of been cool to watch my parents
navigate that while also like you know just becoming a mom yeah absolutely
yeah would you say how would you describe your childhood was it challenging
was it idyllic was it you wouldn’t change a thing dude I had the freaking
best childhood yeah like my I mean we were poor but I never knew we were you
know we we were Scrappy like we have funny memories of family vacations and
cars breaking down and noise SE just Riff Raff you know like we didn’t have
internet social media so we were always outside always messing around it’s
the best it the best yeah yeah that’s amazing are you more like your mom or
like your dad I think I’m both honestly little combination yeah I think I
have the like entrepreneur business side from my dad and then the my mom is
hilarious you never know what you’re going to get from her my friends I would
come home from school and they would be hanging out with my mom I wouldn’t
even be there she’s just a good good time you know so I I feel like I can I
kind of have both honestly yeah lots of people say that I look like my mom
but I act like my dad I don’t know if that’s a compliment or not well I’m
sure it’s great I’m sure yeah there’s something yeah there’s something there
so you grew up in this kind of I mean what you’re describing and the way that
that Jeremy Andress describes you it’s clear that you’re building all of this
stuff and you’re watching it as you’re growing up and so you get into you you
go to school go to college did you go to UVU so I played soccer there for one
year and there it’s like a good and a bad thing about me I think when things
stop to be like stop being fun and becoming more of a job I burn out so
easily and so I actually had tore I tore my ACL um and was getting surgery
and and I was I was was doing school and at the time I actually had started a
little clothing business so I was sewing adult clothing and selling them like
in skate shops locally and a boutique up here called jmr I don’t know if you
remember that of course um and and so I was either in school and you had to
take a grip of credits in study hall I was playing soccer or doing that for
like six hours a day and then I was like creating like making clothing and it
just after the first year I was stoked that I was able to do that mhm and I
was done I was like that’s and I didn’t go back to school cuz the only reason
why I was going to school is so I could play soccer so you could play yeah
and check that box yeah check that box and then I just started doing this
clothing thing and then I stopped doing that and was operating restaurants
for my dad and that was insane it was super crazy hard but it like I almost
felt like it was like a graduate school program it was insane the real life
experience so but your dad’s a music producer yeah he invested in it in some
restaurants bajio the Mexican you’re kidding yeah so then they ended up
selling to Costa but for like five years I was I I I didn’t really sign up
for that but I got thrown into that deal I was like a cashier one day and
then running the whole freaking thing the next but it was good it was crazy
well I love this perspective and this background because the story that most
of us hear about you is that you’re young married kids I’m actually single
single mom now yes I was just talking about your pre where you were
previously this is the story that we hear yes um and so and then and then
you’re you’re selling your kids clothes online because you need you’re just
trying to make a few extra bucks and husband and law school and at the time
uh but this there’s a foundation there’s a basis for this and that’s all the
things that you experienced growing up so what are some of the lessons that
you took away from Mom Dad what they were doing this entrepreneurial spirit
this grit that that Jeremy talks about I mean I just I think I just didn’t I
again it was like I wasn’t ever in an environment where people were clocking
in and out it’s kind of just like what you did you know it’s like so it
really wasn’t it wasn’t like a foreign thing to constantly be building or
working towards something I think one thing that that I actually like love
and that I you know my dad told me a long time ago cuz you’re in high school and
you don’t know what you want to do and there’s all this pressure to try to Fe
it’s like dude I’m like 16 17 nobody knows what they want to do honestly and
I remember him just being like don’t be stagnant like his experience is
perfect because you you know he was going to Premed and he was he had
something that he could focus on and be passionate about and then a really
cool opportunity came along and he was able to have an option to take that or
keep doing what you’re doing and I was like that is actually such good advice
like never be stagnant always have something that you’re working on or
working toward and I think I I I tell my boys that all the time like whatever
you decide whether you want to build your own business you want to go to
college you want to do a service Mission or whatever like just stay busy like
just don’t be stagnant because I think that’s where it can get dangerous you
know yeah well speaking of your of your dad medical school right in front of
him and he takes this other opportunity I mean there’s a there’s a risk in
doing something like that that can be super challenging right for lots of
people yeah and so for I don’t know let’s say half the population they’re
like I’m not going to work with you I don’t know what’s going to happen with
the OS totally I have this path of medical school that’s going to be really
great probably probably would be really great yeah of the other half are like
nope I’m out I’m going to go take the risk so how do you manage situations
like that I mean I think I I have a suspicion on how you might manage that
but what would you tell people in that scenario oh I mean I think for me I I
enjoy the risk I think that there’s like an adrenaline and there’s like a
weird it just like makes me tick you know it’s almost like when PE when
people tell me not to do it I’m like oh I’m going to do it I want to jump and
figure this out and I think it really is like an addiction to like an
adrenaline just not having not understanding where this might go but why not
try it you know I also would say there’s nothing wrong with the medical you
know going that route and for some people that really works well where they
can have something and they can plan on it and and that makes people tick for
me I kind of feel like I’m a bit more chaotic and I enjoy like actually
Jeremy that that’s like a really good point because we talked for a really
long time and and he was super cool and was super interested in rags I had
already done Shark Tank mhm I knew I didn’t want to take that money because
it wasn’t smart money and I knew why I wanted if I was going to take money it
was because I wanted to partner with somebody that actually had like a great
brain and could give me their time but I knew the risk you know so I remember
approaching you know Jeremy and I were talking and I wanted him just to be
involved but he he wanted to invest and I was like oh I don’t know if I want
to take your money I know that looks like you know that’s that’s scary sure
and and a lot of people would probably tell you not to and just keep grinding
but for me it was like I think that I would always wonder what what could
have been if I had taken his money so that was why I was like I’m going to
just do it like didn’t it didn’t really paralyze me although Jeremy did say I
remember he was like it probably you were probably the hardest person to
close took me like eight months to close you but it’s because like which made
him want to do it even more I mean that’s how it goes but truly like money
wasn’t the driving Factor here right it it is quality of life times a million
it’s like what will my life look like and I value that so much more than than
dollars and I still think today that’s the case well I want to get to that
too because that’s prominent and all the stuff that you put out uh is that
quality of life is significant and I think that is extremely important so I I
have two things from what you were just talking about one is I heard say
previously in in another interview that you make a lot of your decisions
maybe all of your decisions with your gut like it’s a gut feel and and I
would Echo that especially like your dad’s saying medical school I’m going to
go work with the Osman anyone who who might be in that situation there’s
something to be said for trusting your oh Instinct big time and you’ve done
that throughout your career that’s has that been been is that your secret
sauce is that your superpower has that been really good for you to to act
that way I think yeah but it’s also been one it’s really hard to always rely
on gut right it’s like there’s so many times where and I’ve made this mistake
and it’s been really tricky and it’s been really hard and that’s probably
part of why jar because he’s seen it where he’s like whoa Rachel is gritty
because I’ve made mistakes you know and had to come back but it’s because
most of the time it’s like you get into this zone of of your business or
whatever and and imposter syndrome’s very real where you don’t give yourself
enough credit and think man I actually have good instincts and I have you
know like it’s gotten me this far you you assume that because people have
this amazing wrap sheet of of you know credentials or whatever they can come
in and they can take you to another level and you go against what your gut is
telling you and that’s been that’s been a huge lesson it’s so true and I like
to if I’m going to make a decision especially what I think is an important
decision I like to gather as much of the data as I can and sometimes I mean
data is great I think data driven decisions are great and sometimes that
dampens or deafens what Something Else Is Telling You Inside It’s tricky to
navigate that oh it is brutal yeah yeah well you’ve done an amazing job the
other thing based on those comments I think is really important we’ve heard
this theme on the show is aligning with the right partner so I’m I’ll tell
you a story about bucked up one of our one of our fans here cheers to Buck up
so tasty bucked up had uh they started with they started putting out their
energy drink and they were doing pretty well and trying to figure out whether
or not to take this money there was aany that was like a PE that was him we
want to give you money we want to give you money we want to give you money
well the interesting thing about the PE firm they didn’t want to take the
money and they didn’t need to take the money their growth was really good
yeah but what this firm also had was the former COO of distribution for Dr
Pepper on their list of you know we can use this guy he’s an adviser right
well long story short they took the money they got the advisor their traffic
of energy drinks went from something like 4 million to 40 million oh they’re
stoked and then they hired the guy so so I think what you’re talking about
with like a guy like Jeremy how how important is aligning with the right
people oh I think that’s like key honestly I think it will make her break you
cuz I’ve made the mistake within my business of not H having people come on
that I wasn’t fully aligned with and making that mistake but you’re looking
at their rrap sheet and you’re looking at what they’ve done and some people
can be such great salesmen and then it’s like when rubber meets the road
you’re like oh you know but but making the decision to even take money and
partner with someone on that level it really was like it is totally the
person it is absolutely that relationship it is what does this look like when
things get tough how like life is too short it is not worth selling your soul
for a buck buck up so so have you had the experience of aligning with a bad
partner and how did you manage that yeah I I mean you again you know you
think that I’m young I’ve never done this before and and you I there was
actually a period where I had to step away for personal reasons from rags and
I couldn’t be as involved and um Jeremy was actually really helpful too and
we I wanted to hire somebody to come in and kind of take over and I would
still obviously be involved but I I had to take myself out of the weeds just
cuz I need to be with my family I need to be with my boys so um yeah and it
ended up not being you know this person came from a huge company that was
super impressive and and they had all the experience you know and then they
come in and it’s like man this is it’s interesting and actually it’s actually
been really validating as far as like gut instinct where I’m like who like I
I need to trust that more because you know you you trust and believe that
that other people that have been in other corporations can come in and do the
same but it is very much yeah it is so I’m assuming that you have you got you
were able to get out of that partnership so what when when was the day when
you woke up and you thought I can’t this can’t go on any longer it’s G it’s
got Instinct man and then how did you turn that around you you reach out to
people like Jeremy you reach out to people that you brought on in the
beginning and talk through it and and I actually had the co-founder of ran
come in um and I really respect him and he loves brags and I asked him to
come in and just dissect my business because I was like there’s something
that’s off there’s something that’s not going right and and I could just feel
it and he went in there and after two weeks we were able to dissect
everything and figure out you know next steps and pivot it was painful for
sure but um learned a ton you know and yeah yeah it’s almost like you have to
it sucks but you kind of have to go through stuff like that it’s so true that
is another recurring theme on this show is that there is some obstacle mhm
that people have to overcome and invariably once you overcome the obstacle
and find yourself on the path again people say I had to do I had to go
through I don’t want to go through that I didn’t want to go through that but
I had to go through that so true and that’s why I’m here today by the way
side note if you know the co-founder of Rome would you tell him that I’m
trying to get him on the podcast this is ridiculous I don’t know how many
times I have to call that guy dude yeah he’s done well I’m I’m withholding
judgment right now so we’ll see you wait we’ll wait till we get him in this
chair and then you can tell me okay great perfect that’s great okay uh well
this is a fascinating story so far I hope you have a few more minutes because
I there’s a lot more that I want to unpack here but I think we’re getting a
really good sense of all of these things all of these experience experiences
in your life have led you to this point and and the ability to create what
you’ve created which I I think is unbelievable like I don’t I don’t know of
someone who didn’t have that childhood experience when your mom was sewing in
the middle of the night and your dad was on the phone and you have you know
six other Knuckleheads running around the house and what did you call it it
was like Riff Raff riff that you would because you’re a mom you’re married
tough time I mean tough times that you just said well I I have to do this
there’s no there’s not a way out if I if there’s a way out I’m going to
figure it out and you just had that within you from the all of the
experiences growing up I think that’s so critical and so amazing so with all
of that in mind we’re going to take a quick break cuz I’m I need a little
drink of my bucked up get your bucked up yeah I’m drinking the Miami I’m
going Cherry something which I think is my cherry cherry cherry candy Cherry
candy yeah and it’s actually delicious I keep drinking it while we’re talking
I hope that’s not a problem no that’s perfect to the V to the viewers that’s
perfect no that’s why we have these here that’s why we have them here I like
the Miami flavor I like the tting it out so everybody can see I also brought
one that tastes like a I have a couple up here there’s one that tastes like
Gummy Bears it’s kind of kind of interesting yeah it’s probably good would be
my first but you know what I’m not a gummy bear in fact this is a perfect
segue to the next segue to the next line of questioning for you this is what
I like to call three random questions oh boy are you a you just made me think
of this because I know exactly what I am are you a Sour Patch candy or Peanut
M&M’s dude I love both that’s the lamest that’s like saying you love The
Beatles and Elvis like you can’t I love the Dodgers and the Yankees love you
did that already I think if I if I had to really dissect that I probably Veer
honestly towards Sour Patch Kids a I know man I know maybe it’s a
generational thing I think that’s what it is like I’m chocolate Sees Candy I
can’t I can’t come near a Sour Patch Kid without my face puckering up like it
just does not yeah it’s torture it’s torture yeah but that’s where you would
I don’t mind the torture I dig it I like Sour Patch Kids okay CH peanut
butter M&M’s are honestly a close second low it’s a hard one peanut
M&M like that’s That’s a classic it is you just grab a handful super
satisfying yeah okay next question Tony Soprano Tony the Tiger Tony Stark or
Tony Hawk Tony Hawk I knew it come on I knew it Tony the Tiger’s good though
that’s a I thought I thought maybe Tony the Tiger I like that like you would
be like yeah I love I love breakfast cereal a little twist I like it tiger is
my guy but why I mean I think I know why but why Tony Hawk I mean Tony Tony
Soprano like maybe again a generational thing like I’m Tony Soprano like
that’s where I’m going yeah but then how do you pass up Tony Stark I me how
do you pass Tony Stark like iron you’re making it tricky right you’re making
it tricky yeah I don’t know why Tony Hawk Tony Hawk I mean one I think he’s
incredible what he’s done if you don’t know my boys are obsessed with
skateboarding we actually um niga Houston is is also a great skateboarder he signed
a deck and shipped it to my boys what really yeah so wow but I but I remember
talking to friends about it and they were like I don’t really know you T who
is but I know Tony Hawk and I’m like yeah if you if you’re not familiar with
skateboarding everybody still knows who Tony Hawk is he’s Legend yeah and
he’s Still’s still doing it and he’s still doing it you want to know a fun
fact about that too we actually did early on we donated to uh a bunch of rags
to Haitian orphans to Tony Hawk and niga and they were going out to do clean
water water pipes so they sent me a bunch of photos of little kids in in uh
Haiti wearing Rags all over the orphanages yeah it was sweet way that’s
amazing so when people would ask like what is your biggest like proudest
moment it’s not like Shark Tank or whatever it’s like dude I remember waking
up one morning and looking at my phone and tears were just streaming down my
face I was just going to ask how did that make you feel it was like whoo this
is something I’ve created that actually is like benefiting kids that don’t
even have freaking clothes it was so cool amazing yeah you know speaking of
Haiti and clean water if you want to read a fascinating book about that
called mountains Beyond mountains and uh a a Harvard trained medical doctor
spends all of his spare time oh that’s cool in Haiti he goes back to he goes
back to Harvard and works and earns so he can go to Haiti so he can go and
that’s so rad spend a bunch of time in in that’s what it’s all about yeah those
are the best that yeah yeah how meaningful is that for you like I mean so
we’re talking about all of this these amazing things you’ve done building a
business from scratch difficult circumstances overcoming hard times I mean
that’s something that has to be like really meaningful to you and you’re you
you have this certain Pride about it MH but is it I mean but then you talk
about just the ability to to provide some service tot to so like if you had
to do one or the other where what what gives you more satisfaction I mean I
think realistically people would sit here and they would want to be the hero
and be like service and stuff but I honestly feel like again it kind of goes
back to quality of life you know and like Rags is a means and it’s been so awesome
and it’s it’s so great because it’s been able to allow me you know more free
time to be with my kids and and allow me like great opportunities like that
one you know so I enjoy the work truly but I think the higher tier for me is
is stuff like that where you can go out and people that may not have those
opportunities or for me it’s even just as simple as being a really involved
present human being with those that I already have relationship with you know
cuz that is the older you get the more you really like value time you realize
like there’s not a ton of it and you will never regret not staying in your
office for an extra 3 hours grinding and missing out on whatever you know
know to connect with the people that you really love and care about I
honestly think that that is like higher tier so if you can you can create
have have a business where you can create that that is like ultimate goal
right yeah absolutely well and that’s the thing I think is I think all of us
have this sense of community being part of a community and what role do we
play in that community and like you said I think you said said it so well
Rags maybe gives you that opportunity to be more involved in your community
so it’s not like you don’t love rags and it’s not necessarily like it’s a
means to the end because to an end because you get great satisfaction out of
building something producing something but it also gives you an opportunity
to be present with other charitable things and with your family right and I
think that’s one point if if anybody sees any of your stuff online social
media you’re rarely by yourself M there’s always some tow head crazy running
around jumping on a bed on a skateboard giving the oh yeah the pec deck Flex
whatever it is so that seems to be the grounding portion of your life family
oh yeah absolutely it’s like the greatest and I read somewhere that it was
maybe a little bit of surprise that you would take to Motherhood so intensely
yes I was terrified I was like I am selling an ounce of my Independence
what’s happening here this when I was pregnant isn’t that awful and I
freaking love it I love it but here’s the thing I think a lot of people it’s
weird like you can probably relate when when you’re at the age when your
friends are getting married or whatever that there’s the there’s the type
that get married you never see him again what a bummer and then there’s the
type that get married and they still hang with everybody and they’re still
like it’s just like more of the marrier right and that was me and then you
know having kids you kind of see people do that again where it’s like you
have your kid and suddenly everything becomes hard and you lose yourself and
I was very adamant on like I’m going to do every single thing I did like I played
soccer until I was like 5 months pregnant with my first I was snowboarding I
remember I had to have my husband at the time undo my binding because I was
so pregnant I couldn’t undo it because I was so adamant on making sure that I
continue to live you know and and you see like or hear these tragic stories
of people they have their babies and they get so roped in which is so cool
too but but then eventually you know when they grow up they’ve lost who they
are they’ve lost themselves and they don’t do what they loved and then it’s
just this crisis you know and I was like I I want to make sure like we would
go I did everything with my kids you know and and it of course it’s a little
harder but those like early taxes pay off big time like now my boys are like
kicking my butt on their M mountain bikes it’s so crazy it’s wild yeah but
it’s cool it’s like I have little built-in homies that can come do everything
with me and they’re good at it now you know yeah it’s fun well I think
there’s there’s something about th