This week, Frank is joined by John Kimball, President of Real Salt Lake (RSL). Frank and John discuss RSL’s journey to reclaiming its prominence, the power of culture in sports, and the incredible impact of leadership. From John’s early days growing up in Salt Lake City to the lessons he learned from legendary mentors, this episode is packed with insights on building winning teams, both on and off the field.John shares the secrets behind RSL’s recent success, the challenges they’ve overcome, and how the “RSL Way” is setting the foundation for a bright future. Plus, hear some amazing stories, including John’s experiences with iconic figures like David Beckham and Dr. J, and what it truly takes to lead a sports team to greatness.Don’t miss this deep dive into the world of sports, leadership, and culture. Powered by www.ehub.comConnect with us! https://linktr.ee/knowyourshipConnect with John and Real Salt Lake!John’s LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/john-kimball-bb56237/Real Salt Lake’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/realsaltlakeReal Salt Lake’s Facebook:https://www.facebook.com/RealSaltLake/Real Salt Lake’s YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/RealSaltLakeSoccerReal Salt Lake’s X: https://twitter.com/realsaltlake
welcome to the know your ship podcast presented by ehub I’m your
host Frank Dolce welcome back man this is a guy that I’ve known for a long
time I used to work for him in fact that’s right at one point in time before
he fired me now that’s that’s not that’s not exactly that’s not exactly true
but we worked in the same building where you’re located currently in at the
uh at the stadium at now it at now the America First America first field yeah
uh this is the one and only John Kimble the one and only president of RSL
head janitor that’s not true and if you know the history of RSL the recent
history of RSL we know that early in the history RSL won the championship and
then went through some you know good years felt like it kind of dwindled a
little bit struggled a little bit MH you came in around 2020 20 I it was it’s
three years ago in September so 2021 yeah you come you you come along as the
interim and at one point you’re working without an ownership group correct
kind of in between and you’ve gone through this incredible run of building
back the prominence of RSL that’s got to be enormously satisfying yeah I mean
it’s it’s amazing and um I give all of the credit to just really good people
people that we’ve brought back and uh people that have been there for a long
time and um just a group of people that had a passion for something uh that
we knew we were capable of because we’ve won a national championship and uh
and then just process accountability doing the work and uh and now it’s you
know you can see that the team uh is really jelling and and that’s that’s
been a lot of work but they’re doing a great job well for for a lot of us who
know you we feel like this position you’re in now has been a long time coming
I yeah I don’t feel that way you don’t no I I mean I I feel like I I just
have so much more to learn and uh and I I feel like I’m a a benefactor of
having really good people around me and uh and with that you know I I’ve just
always believed if if you have good people that have a common goal you know
you can really accomplish just about anything you want and and and we had
that back uh in 2009 and before when we won the championship we had an
amazing group of people and it’s funny because over the years I I’ve had a
number of those people come back and say that was the highlight of my career
that was the best culture I’d ever been involved in i’ I’d love to figure out
a way to get back to the team and some of those people we’ve brought back and
uh and I and I think we’re well on our way to create that same culture again
um but again it’s it’s uh just having really really solid people on the team
yeah well I I’d like to talk about that culture as we go along in this
podcast but I really want to figure out your path how you got to this point
you’ve been prominent in this market market for a long time and you’ve worked
with several of the local media companies you’ve worked with the Jazz you’ve
worked with RSL and like I said it feels like you’ve landed in the position
that you maybe you should have landed in a long time ago with all of your
experience but let’s let’s dial this all the way back okay and let’s talk
about the uh the young John Kimble growing up in Salt Lake City it’s born and
raised just above Second Avenue uh over by the University of Utah gotcha yeah
uh elementary school high school in the state yep wasach Elementary East High
School um a number of different colleges but uh I was uh lucky enough to do
five study abroad in college so I was just going around seeing the world wait
why did you do that how did you do five study abroad I don’t I don’t know I
just got a bug my dad was a travel agent as a kid and so I’d seen a lot of
the world before I was in college and I just thought you know it’s one thing
to just go to school where you live it’s another thing to go experience the
world and so I I you know through I I don’t know just a lot of luck and
people supporting me was able to go see a lot of cool stuff yeah interesting
well the Kimble name is is significant in Salt Lake in the Salt Lake Valley
for sure tell tell me about your childhood tell me about your parents and
siblings um amazing parents uh my dad is you know my biggest mentor and just
an amazing human being who was taken early unfortunately he passed away at 69
uh from a brain tumor um but my mom has just been a warrior she’s going to
outlive all of us uh I have a older brother and a younger sister um my
brother Ted uh is a doctor at the University of Utah hospital and my sister
is also a doctor uh she’s a neonatologist down in San Diego you didn’t you
didn’t get the I’m the one that goes to the hospital they’re the ones that
work at the hospital so what were kind of the you mentioned your dad is as
kind of a hero and as you look back on on that growing up what were some of
the what were some of the lessons that you learned from your dad that you
lean on or learn from your family that you lean on today yeah my dad was just
uh um he was bigger than life he was just one of those guys that everybody
loved and to this day I I luckily think I look a little bit like him so
people will walk up and say are are are you Jim Kimble son and and uh he just
had a a lot of impact in a lot of people’s lives and he was just one of those
guys that always made you laugh uh for years he he did a traveling show on
Jay golden Kimble and you can still see it on PBS they use it as a fundraiser
every year and he just had an amazing sense of humor um and was just you know
somebody that that people loved having in their lives and so to see that and
to see you know just what a positive for for he was you know he was just
everything to me as a kid growing up and everything I wanted to be and
everything I wanted to make proud you know I wanted him to be proud of me and
and you know he was that guy he traveled a ton as a travel agent but would
try to make every game that I played um even when we were playing flag
football in college he he’d come out and would be the one fan out there uh
cheering us all on but uh yeah just a just a remarkable human being yeah and
my mom was just the traditional mom just amazing you know fed us drive us
everywhere just uh just a you know just a constant pres presence and uh she’s
92 now and still trucking but uh yeah I I had I feel you know I just had one
of those childhoods that was just just ridiculous and uh I just feel really
lucky and blessed cuz I grew up uh in an amazing neighborhood with a great
family with great mentors in my neighborhood I mean I just men that I looked
up to women that were powerful um you know my sister like I said has grown up
to be a doctor she had amazing mentors and so I it just it was kind of
surreal the the neighborhood and family and kind of circumstances I grew up
in who was the disciplinarian in your house definitely my mom yeah so if you
got in trouble were you going to talk to Dad first um because I had an older
brother I never got caught so I never really got in trouble because I learned
very quickly how to avoid um getting caught but yeah and just say you know
what were you thinking and then would laugh about it as opposed to anything
else my mom was definitely the one that would you know scold and be mad if
something happened so well it seems like knowing you for as long as I’ve
known you and working with you would you say that trait of your dad’s to talk
and reason is something that applies to you as well I feel like that’s part
of your personality yeah I I mean I I wished I mean I really if I you know am
even a shadow or in the shadow of my dad I would I would feel feel very
honored um he was a great speaker um he wrote a book a number of books uh he
wrote for uh the Tribune Travel section every single week and just uh was
amazing uh and I’ve never been a fan of public speaking I’ve never really felt
confident um but you know I feel like I’ve been able to tap into him you know
and and be able to you know I guess communicate but uh it’s not something he
was confident you know he loved being on stage and in front of people and
telling stories and I’m much more of an introvert than he was definitely much
more of an extrovert so yeah that’s interesting you you have an athletic
background as well I know that well you mentioned you know your tell you flag
flag football football that’s right well nothing nothing like you though
Frank well I mean that’s that’s a high bar let’s be honest it is a high bar
but I know that you were part of a national championship Highland Rugby team
and they even made a movie about that team was that your team that they they
made the movie about yeah I mean it was a a number of different stories that
they compiled to make a a movie but uh um yeah my team is actually in the
film when they zoom in at the hospital and I’m the guy standing next to the
actor that they imposed into the pitcher on crutches and so that was that was
uh my team and we were the first uh uh national champions of the kind of high
school or the Highland High School Reign I think coach gwick Wix won 419
games and lost 10 and won 20 national championships over I think 26 years I I
don’t he’s got to be the most winning coach he has to be yeah the most
decorated coach yeah and he true to the movie he he just was an exceptional
human being he and my dad were close friends cuz he was in the he’s in travel
I know I I was going to say he was a travel agent as well or something like
that he yeah he works for Columbus travel and uh he and my dad were were good
friends and I always thought that’s why Larry kind of watched out for me and
would communicate and talk to me but he you know we all kind of ended up
finding out he was doing that with every player and connecting with every
player and and uh no he was definitely had a a massive impact on me as a you
know young idiot weren’t we all yeah at some point tell me about the lessons
that you learned in the on the athletic field and maybe we can talk about
that a little bit because I feel it’s it’s significant in my life yeah the
things that happen in that Arena I don’t know if you where where else you get
that but how significant was that for you and how you evolved no I I mean
being in sports and you know and raising my kids in sports and coaching and
you know those are very formative years and um if you have somebody who steps
up and is willing to be a mentor and a leader you can’t help but pay
attention uh and especially if they give you a formula that allows you to win
and be successful and and Coach gwick just he had an amazing formula of just
being being a really downto Earth human being but demanding Excellence
demanding commitment uh the one thing that I think we’re really lacking today
with youth is accountability and consequences oh yes I mean coach would say
if you drink if you do drugs if you do anything to embarrass yourself your
family or the team you’ll get kicked off the team and it was zero tolerance
and there were kids I I remember going to um San Francisco and playing in a
tournament down there and a kid went out got drunk and he sent him home
starting player one of our best players just with no just you know verified
that it happened and then said you’re getting on a plane you’re gone and it
just sent a message that you know to all of us that hey if we want to be on
this team you know this is the commitment and then we when we just started
destroying other teams I mean we were playing the colleges we would play the
second teams of BYU U ofu Utah State Weber State we were undefeated because
we were so conditioned and he would you know ask us on our honor to run an
extra mile or two a week and you had to do that on your own time and he just
expected you to do it and we would just run we’ just run over teams cuz we
were I mean you’re playing college that are except for B however I won’t say
that but other than well I won’t even say that are you sure you don’t want to
say it yeah uh that you know we’re kind of I mean BYU is an amazing team now
they’re nationally recognized and back then it was more of a club sport but
again you know we’re playing guys that are in their 20s and we’re high school
and we were just crushing them yeah and and we couldn’t there wer weren’t any
other high schools in the state of Utah so we had to travel to play other
teams so we’d go to Colorado and California and Larry would always figure out
all these unique ways for us to raise money to travel but you know I came
from East High School which I think was recognized in Sports Illustrated as
one of the most losing High School football programs over a period of time
yeah I don’t think they won a football game for three years yeah I think I I
was win not a win and uh but you know I knew we had athletes I knew we knew
how to you know we we knew how to play sports and that national team I think
the majority of the team came from East High School oh or from other schools
yeah and it was back then when you know the aggregate was we were coming from
West and from Highland and from East and Skyline and we came from all over
the valley to create the team that we had um but like I said we and Coach
gwick I mean I I I’ve really thought just recently cuz he he’s getting
inducted to the rugby Hall of Fame and the Warriors having a big event this
Friday they got a big uh game coming up and they just opened a new facility
uh they train and play at our facility out in Herman and they recognized uh
coach gelwix and you know it’s some of the things that he would say to us are
now ring in my head like he would say it doesn’t matter who scores as long as
we score and and he also you know this was something that I brought up with
um Jason chry a guy that we just brought back to real and so for people let
me just stop you there don’t forget your story but just give us a little
background on Jason Christ so people know so Jason chry was the first player
we signed uh with Real Salt Lake I think in 2005 um he and he was our captain
um um I think it was within a year or two he became midseason our head coach
for Real Salt Lake with no coaching experience and then within three I think
four years won a national championship yeah and he went on to you know work
for other teams I believe he went to New York he went to I think he actually
went overseas I can’t remember which team he was associated with overseas but
Orlando and a couple of other teams but and he was one of those employees
that had said wow the culture that we had you know the team we were the wor
one of the worst teams to get into the playoffs we C came in in the Eastern
Division wild card and then ran the table and won the national championship
against David Beckham’s Galaxy which I thought it was really ironic that they
left that segment out of the ne Netflix Beckham story yeah is that so so
Jason’s back we brought him back in January um he he didn’t want to coach he
wanted to oh I I was saying that he was one of the employees that said that
that culture that we had was magical and he was a big part of it he had a
mantra that the team is the star and and he brought together this group of
guys that had no business beating David Beckham’s team yeah um and uh you
know we we stepped up and I think I was pointing out that they didn’t mention
that in the Beckham St in the Beckham story yeah which was a great
documentary yeah and the other I’ve got another Beckham story so if you want
me to tell that I’ll tell that too oh wait is this a recent Beckham story no
but this should have been part of the film because I I for the most part
would not walk across the street to get an autograph from anyone I mean maybe
Kelly Slater is like the only person that I would cross the street really to
meet I just the surfer I just the gene I didn’t get that Gene of really
caring about that and I won’t tell him when I signed that stuff for you
that’s right except for you of course um but when uh Dave check’s long story
Real Salt Lake came from a partnership or relationship with Real Madrid and
uh we had an agreement that Real Madrid would come and play um here in Salt
Lake so um they came it was amazing they showed up um you know my wife at the
time was telling me what an amazing person David Beckham was and how sexy and
attractive and what an and I was just like whatever I mean I’m just like this
guy you know and you look at him and you’re like oh yeah okay whatever but
again I was not impressed I was like whatever and I you know didn’t know much
about him didn’t really know his history other than these guys are the one of
the best teams in the world and and again for me I’m kind of like yeah
whatever good for you um but uh they show up they got a private jet they all
got matching suit suits they’re just buttoned up they just they looked
amazing showed up um I remember the first thing we asked is we wanted him to
do an autograph session and he said I I won’t do that without my co- captains
which I thought you know that’s pretty cool because you know he’s big name
everybody wants his autograph absolutely so he went through that whole
autograph session and then um later in the day we had a make a wish kid that
um uh we had lined up to have David meet and I remember his publicist came
walking down the tunnel and I was standing next to the kid up at Rice Eckles
at at the mouth of the tunnel and his publist walked up into me and she said
now John David has three minutes with this kid three minutes and I’m sitting
there just like really really and then David walked out and he grabbed this
kid’s hand and he turned around to his publicist and he said I will tell you
when I’m done and he took this kid out on the middle of rice eel’s field and
played for you know 20 30 40 minutes with this kid and I was just like okay
that guy you know he that that’s an amazing person he truly to that series or
that film is he’s a unique human being man I didn’t like David Beckham yeah
and then I saw the I saw the documentary and then I was like wait I like
David Beckham and now no I even like him more I know he’s you know I’ve I’ve
I’ve been around a lot of professional athletes and he’s just he’s one of
those guys that’s a great story it’s unbelievable it’s such a great story and
there’s so many things that you talked about I’m hoping I can hit all of them
one of them is your coach gelwix and Greg papovich so there’s a great book
called the culture code yeah and in that book they talk about the San Antonio
Spurs and they talk about Greg papovich and part of his greatness is his
ability to connect with every one of his players not just the star players
not just Tim Duncan individually but individually with his players and the
way he manages that team and I just thought that was really interesting the
way you talked about coach gwick and his you thought that maybe you were his
guy yeah he knows dad my dad’s asking him to watch out for me yeah and you
know come to kind of and really it was after I saw the film I was like wow he
actually was and he would he would hey he during practice he’d pull you off
the field and he say hey pull up a chair sit next to me and you’d see
somebody sitting and he’s just talking and you’re like you don’t know what
they’re talking about but he was and he always would say things like he
wasn’t he wasn’t building a rugby team he was building building men and he
wanted to teach men you know morals and ethics and discipline and and through
that through that education he he he taught us how to come together and just
truck people I mean we I’ll never forget we were playing a team in California
we were up 65 to nothing you better the story that I was telling Jason
because one of the things I hate about is when a team will get up and then
they’ll sit back the bus and then and then you know the opposing team comes
down takes 15 shots on goal the goalie bouncing out and and they play this
ridiculous defensive model and I said to Jason I said this is the most
ridiculous thing I said I I get it I’m not a you know I’m not an expert in in
this sport knowing how to coach it but that makes no sense to me I said when
I played rugby we were up 65 to nothing and I was the captain of the team and
I walked up to Larry and I said Larry should we substitute some some players
and he said no he said I want them to remember you I want them to always
remember playing Highland High School and we beat them I think it was 85 to
nothing we just stomped them and I thought well you know I mean that might
have been a little excessive but you know and I think you know there might
have been a backstory to the fact that we couldn’t get accredited as a high
school that he that other teams didn’t think we would you know be able to
play at their level and and when we made it to the national championships and
qualified we had to play I think it was four games in two days and you know
they seated us last because we didn’t have a lot of accreditation and we we
just destroyed everybody and the last game we played was a team from San
Francisco that was all Polynesian and for the most part everybody left the
field uhhuh and that team I’m trying to remember their name but they were
crushing teams and they were like you guys are just going to get worked and
we went in and just we pounded them and so that was kind of the start of you
know I think you know what ended up being 20 national championships so and it
was just amazing and like I said when I think back to some of the things that
Larry taught and I think it’s where kind of some of my business philosophy
comes from that you know it wasn’t any one of us that was a superstar it was
when we came together I was part of the scrum I was on the outside of the
scrum and we would we had a kind of a chant where we would we would come
together then we would squeeze meaning we’d pull together tight and then we
would drop and then we would push and when we followed that Cadence again we
would roll right over the top of other teams because we came together as a
single force and just dominated and it was that kind of philosophy I think of
you know there’s there’s no one person that’s the star it’s like Jason Christ
you know would teach that the the team is the star yeah and I think you know
in our organization we just have really talented people and best idea wins
and when we come together and you know think and and and align ourselves and
have common goal we we can roll over things not the not the individual scores
we score correct like that kind of philosophy and that comes who scores it’s
the we score it’s we score and that’s that’s from coach gwick yeah as well as
I’m looking back across now learning all of this experience it seems like
where you are now and the lessons that you can apply are very clear on the
culture side I want to go back one one more thing because it it sounds like
you had kind of this idilic childhood surrounded right by really good people
and a great family and lots of opportunity and you took advantage of all of
that certainly what where is the controversy where is the obstacle in your
life up to this point or are you just kind of like you’re on cruise control I
I I like I said I feel blessed but I think you know the controversy for me as
a kid was um learning dis dis ability I I I had a learning disability I was I
was not the kid that you know could sit in class I not only do I know I
suffered from concussions but had add dyslexia just a number of different
things that you I was in resource I was the resource kid my all my friends
were like where do you go like during the middle of the day and I’m like I
don’t know man I go to this like special class and they they use these
Rubik’s cues and I don’t know what I’m doing but it’s pretty cool they have
treats in there and all my friends are jealous and then you know I come to
find out oh I you know I’ve got a learning disability I’ve got these
challenges so for me I think those were some of the things that really drove
me um to try to excel in sports and to try to you know physically kind of
overcompensate for things um and I just accepted it and the the the irony of
it all is that I I accepted that I had a learning disability and I went
through high school I was a mastermind of cheating I I I had I’ll never
forget and you probably know this head coach at East High School was some
Australian guy that was famous for doing something but he was teaching our
class and I had this cheat sheet in between my sheets and and it was it was
oneon-one he was sitting there cuz he he knew I cheated and but he was trying
to figure out how to catch me and he couldn’t and he came over and he pulled
my sheet up and my paper fell to the floor and I stepped on it and he’s like
looking through it and he’s like I don’t know how you’re doing this but I
know you’re cheating I’m like what and and so you know again that’s how I got
through high school because I was convinced that I had this learning
disability it was the only way for me to survive and they weren’t helping me
they weren’t helping me try to figure it out so so I went through High School
believing that and then I ended up going on an LDS mission mhm and you know
part of the program was you know you got to study these scriptures so um you
know long story short I somebody as a kid challenged me again I was at church
and this woman who was really smart said I bet that you can’t read a
scripture every single day and I said I I know I can and so I did from like
age nine every single night so my parents would walk in and go oh look at
this Angel he’s reading the scriptures and and I was literally proving this
woman wrong and I would open the book and gothe and close the book and I did
it for years but then started reading verse and chapters and all that kind of
stuff and and you know by the time I left on my mission i’ I’d read all the
books multiple times didn’t know anything didn’t know wasn’t paying attention
but I created a habit of learning and through my mission by the end of it you
could for the most part open the book and say what verse is this and I’d say
well it’s this and so I I come home with this discipline and I go to college
and I apply it and I I end up graduating with a 3.8 and honors and I was just
like I never had a learning disability I just somebody convinced me that I
did and I just accepted that I did I just had to learn differently I learned
that I had to read something I had to highlight it I had to then take out
what I highlighted and write it on a piece of paper and then I had to study
those papers and if I did that I would get A’s in my classes and you were
able to figure that out yeah so luckily I kind of figured that out and and I
still you know I I you know I still feel like I have just a different style
of of of learning which I think a lot of kids deal with and it’s just a
matter of trying to figure out how somebody learned well thank goodness that
you figured it out I mean some sometimes and this is one of the things I have
a difficult time with is like people get labeled yeah and then they just
believe the label oh yeah and then that that becomes the challenge yeah and
and sometimes they can’t overcome it and you were able to overcome that I
just obstacle I just got lucky cuz I just started reading something and and
uh you know I wanted to know what I was talking about um I was like I
remember saying at my farewell I said if I find out that I’m wasting my time
I’m going to come home you said that at your farewell yeah and so I think a
lot of people thought they’d see me pretty soon but I just realized hey if
I’m out here I’m gonna figure this out and I I’m going to do as good a job as
I can I’m going to serve people that was really my main intention but really
what it gave back to me is just the discipline of learning I don’t know if I
would have figured that out without you know spending those two two years
just reading does is this is this experience where you developed this I’ve
heard you talk about it a little bit before this grit determination figure it
out like you said you’re out on your mission and you’re there you’re just
going to figure it out is that something that started back here when you were
trying to yeah determine how to I I I just knew that I may not be able to do
it like other people I would I one of my good friends you know Gordon may I
grew up with and that guy just could consume everything and and would just
repeat it to you and for me it just didn’t it didn’t flow that way now I had
you know I think you know again at work I think one of the talents that I
have is is you know aggregating the right people having a vision focusing on
culture I mean there’s things that I think that I do have some real talent at
um but you know Finance all that kind of stuff that’s not my skill I mean I
can sit there and read a pnl but if you told me hey walk me through all of
this I’d be like no that’s what my accountant does that’s what my CFO does
and I think that’s a really critical part sometimes and then you know you
talked about maybe talking about books and different things um but it’s
really focusing on your strengths and and and doing the things that you know
you’re good at and then letting other people getting out of their way and not
trying to you know roll over other people and I think it’s the book good to
great that talks about Chrysler and all that kind of stuff and when a certain
leader left he took everything with him because he did everything you know
and he was the smart guy and then and he didn’t let everybody else he didn’t
educate or teach anybody and he checks out and then all of a sudden they they
they dip and so um I just I I think if you can find really good people and
then put them around a table and then have them have a common goal and work
towards it you got 10 people that are pulling together instead of one or two
that think they’re really smart now there’s people out there that are really
smart that are very capable but um I’m not one of them well all evidence to
the contrary we we know that that that’s not true but I will say this
sometimes the superstars aren’t the best teachers MH they like they didn’t have
to necessarily go through the struggle of figuring it out now I’m not saying
that they didn’t struggle yeah or work hard or have determination and all of
those things but sometimes it would be really it could be really hard for
someone like a Kobe Bryant to say well you just do this is how I do you just
do this and for a guy like you and I to say well I can’t do that I don’t know
how to do that and they can’t teach it but you that the path that you went
through was much more based on I have to figure this out and so I don’t know
it feels like maybe you have a deeper understanding of the process and now
you can relate to other people who may be struggling with something or may
have hard time figuring something out because you’ve been there you’ve gone
through that yeah and I also just I I I remember somebody said to me you know
he said you you have a feeling about you that you don’t think you’re enough
and I and at first I took that and I was like wow that’s uh that’s really
that’s sad and that’s depressing but that as I thought more about it I I
thought that is my driver because if you think you’re enough then you stop
trying and you stop pushing yourself and that’s why I feel in the role that
I’m in I have so much more to learn and I’m so educated every single day I
sit with people I’m like wow I mean that’s that’s fascinating or that’s a
great idea or and it’s because I have I think this innate feeling that I’m
not enough and that I have to keep pushing and I’m I’m grateful you know
after I thought about it for a couple of months I was like actually I’m
really grateful that I I may have that feeling because because it’ll always
push me to try to to to you know be better or learn or grow and and I think
that also you know is one of the things that I truly want to get The Highest
Potential out of people that I work with yeah and and I’m very transparent
I’m a direct Communicator I get in trouble all the time because I just I I
say exactly what the person I think needs to hear and I could probably work
on that but I’m like why waste time if this is something you need to hear and
it’s something I need to say or it’s something I need to hear yeah I want you
to say to me you know as quickly as you can what is it that you want to teach
me or because I I remember growing up as a kid learning Sports and if there
was something new I was fascinated and I was fixated and I had no ego when it
came to learning like skateboarding was one of the things I loved as a kid
skate keyboarding on half pipes and I
