Marine to COO: Anneke Gambina’s Path to Left Brain Logistics

how the Marine Corps taught me how to get 30, 60, 100 different
people from very disparit backgrounds with very different family origins on
the same page moving in the same direction towards one common goal. I think
that’s probably the most valuable lesson I got out of that was how to get
people to work as a team even though they’re coming from completely different
backgrounds. Mhm. And I was, you know, moderately good at that. I mean, I I
feel like I I do I’m not great at any one thing. I’m like 75% good at a lot
of different things, which is why I was good at CrossFit. Um, and I think,
you know, that’s part of what’s allowed me to be successful is I’m pretty
good at people and like what makes you tick and how do I motivate you to get
on board with the plan here? Welcome to the Know Your Ship podcast presented
by E-Hub. I’m your host, Frank Dolce. If I say Anukica, am I saying it
correctly? Do people call you Anakah? Oh, I get everything. Anakin,
Skywalker. I know because it’s an interesting spelling. It’s like a Nor is it
a Norwegian? It’s actually Dutch spelling. It’s a Dutch spelling. So, it’s a
little difficult even for Norwegians. They’re like, “Wait, how are you
spelling it?” Oh, I leave it to my parents to just make my life slightly
more complicated. Yeah. And then a last name of Gambina, you know, Anukica.
Is it Anukica? Gambina. I love it. And we were talking about that earlier.
Maybe the Gambina was Gambino and got somewhere. It got mixed up.
Nevertheless, Anukica Gambina. Yeah, Leftbrain Logistics. That’s me. Welcome
to the Know Your Ship podcast. Do you have a favorite episode? You know, I’m
not actually a big podcast girl. Um, so I super disappointed, but I do love I
love a good like redemption story. So I forget the gentleman’s name, but he
had started out I mean he was an addict and an alcoholic. Mhm. Todd
Sylvester. Yeah. And I thought I always have such a deep admiration for
people like that because um I have a very addictive personality which is
probably why I don’t drink. I never try drugs cuz I’m not halfway with
anything. And so I was always really afraid that I would just go down that
path and like never come back from it that and I have probably an
overdeveloped fear of death. But um so those two things together just don’t
really go. And I just I like to hear people um get better, you know, and and
kind of figure out like what was the thing that kind of clicked for you to
turn that around. I find that just fascinating on a lot of levels. And yeah,
it is it’s it’s hopeful to know that people can really like come back from
that. Yeah. Well, I think it happens on both sides, too. I mean, you might
have a redemption story that you’re not even considering because you’re so
the other way. Like if you’re going to jump into something, it’s 110%. And
you’re going to perfect it and you’re going to be the best. And so maybe your
ability to or maybe you don’t have that ability, I don’t know, to dial that
back a little bit and be more more re No, that’s not I think as I get older,
I try to be kinder with myself about those things. Like I don’t need to be
perfect. I don’t I don’t need like 110% at the end of every day to call it a
success. Um, but it is hard for me to let go of that which is kind of an
addiction within itself like that perfectionism and like letting go of that.
So, it’s a lot of stress and it’s a lot of pressure that you put on yourself
doing that. So, anyway, well, that that’s super fascinating. We’ll dig into
that. I want to know where that I want to know where that came from. Uh but
first as we get started just give us the the big picture of LeftBrain
Logistics. Okay. So LeftBrain was founded by Jeremy Clemens our CEO. Uh he
was running his own brand. His wife is actually I’m not sure if he’ll be excited
for me. I mean he’s a very private person but his wife um is an artist, a
musician. I’d say had a lot of success. Um, comes from a family of musicians
and he did all the merch like the band. He always wanted to be a musician but
found he was better at the business end. Ended up running his own brand and
his wife finally was like, “Get this out of my garage.” Um, he was
he was producing and fulfilling out of his out of his home. Okay. Yeah. And
his wife was finally like, “Look, get this out. I This is where we do
our band practice. get your I want to I Well, she’s at the level where she
has her own like real studio, but yeah, she’s like, I want to park my car in
here. What’s going on? So, he was doing merch and fulfilling and his wife was
like, look, this has to get out of our house. And so, he found that the
barrier to get into 3PL was so high, just the minimums and the cost and the
rules, and he didn’t understand it. And so, he’s like, I’m going to open my
own. You necessity is the mother of invention. And that was probably 16 years
ago. Um, and then he had all these friends who were like, “Oh, you’re
opening a 3PL. Great. I have apparel. I, you know, he’s grown up in SoCal in
the same town, so he knows everybody. Like I, my dentist knows him everywhere
I go. Everybody knows him.” Yeah. Um, and so yeah, that was kind of the
start of Left Brain. And we’ve been around for a while. It’s like he just had
a personal need and then to start it just decided. Was that his plan going in
is like, “Okay, I’m going to open a 3PL, fill my own stuff, and then I’m
going to expand.” No. Or he was just like finding a warehouse so he
could do his own stuff. Yeah. If you don’t see something on the market that
fits your need, fill the gap in the market. And I think it just grew
organically. And then we hit a point where um he’s got his hands in kind of a
little bit of everything. and he recognized that he needed somebody to kind
of manage the day-to-day and come in and organize and streamline the
business. And that was almost eight years ago that I came on board to kind of
help him. And so since then, we’ve grown really exponentially. Um we were
actually investors together at my prior business. So that’s how we kind of
Oh. connected. Got it. through like a third a mutual third party. Gotcha.
Okay. And you have two facilities through three three facilities. So you have
Southern California, North Carolina. We have two in Southern California.
Gotcha. And then North Carolina. Okay. Do you spend much time in North
Carolina? I’ve spent more time in North Carolina lately because we’re uh we
just filled that GM role or GM there got promoted. So we had to fill that
role and kind of in the interim. That team is great, but they’re like functional.
So they needed a little guidance on the big picture. So, we’ve my ops manager
and I have been like piggybacking off each other. Gotcha. Yeah. It’s nice to
go out there and spend time with that team. What do you think of North
Carolina? I was stationed there like 1997. Um, it’s nice to visit. I don’t
think I’d want to live there really. It’s a lot of weather. Uh, I’m also from
New Jersey and the the pace there is slower. Yeah, different. Yeah, I I know.
But couldn’t you say that going anywhere from New Jersey, isn’t the pace
going to be slower? I mean, maybe not New York, but isn’t the pace going to
be slower everywhere? I don’t think so. Coming from New Jersey here in Utah.
No, California. Sorry. SoCal, I mean, here like SoCal’s different, but it’s a
different kind of pace, isn’t it? Oh gosh, no. I feel like everybody on the
freeway in the morning, I’m like, “Oh, where are we?” Like it’s
just frenetic. Like everyone’s in a rush to get somewhere. Yeah. And my staff
is definitely I have an incredible team. My are I mean there’s a market
difference in hiring in those two places and you can try to combat that in
North Car Carolina all you want and that team is great but it’s just a
different mindset and you have to just be willing to kind of work with it
otherwise you’re going to drive yourself crazy. you you align much more with
the New Jersey, East Coast, and I guess southern cow kind of rapid Yeah.
pace. Yeah. You don’t relaxing is hard for me. There’s not a lot of that.
Where Okay, so let’s let’s talk about that. Okay, we’re on the couch now. Am
I in therapy or on a podcast? Yes. I mean, I I I have that mildly. just
mildly, but I can also I also feel like I can um take take it easy a little
bit and I don’t know if that’s within your personality. Where to where was
where does that come from? Are your parents super high achievers? Were you
around that kind of atmosphere growing up? Well, I am I’m digging deep for
these. Um, no. I mean, my mom was always my mom’s a teacher. She grew up the
child of a pastor, a missionary pastor, and I think there have always been
high expectations, but not um like unhealthily so. I mean, I never felt this
crazy pressure to achieve in high school. Um I think probably the opposite. I
felt like my report cards always said Anukica is very smart, but doesn’t work
up to potential. And so I think when I finally joined the Marine Corps
honestly I loved it which is so I mean I grew up a European father like this
was not the career path. I mean my father was really not happy when I joined
the Marine Corps. He had like my life planned out and this is not something
that it included. What what did he have planned for you? Um so my undergrad’s
in art history. So he fully expected I’d do like a master’s PhD combined
program deal for an auction house like Sibies, have an apartment in the city,
a house in the suburbs, you know, fine china and white linen. How does that
sound to you? I mean, I can function really well in those environments, but I
and I love art history. I just um there’s this other side of me that just de
art art history is like a passion um a hobby. So, I didn’t really want to
make that my career. And um I grew up in that type of like fine dining, fine
art, very formal existence. And while I can function in it, it’s not really
my comfortable place. I couldn’t see the rest of my life being that. I love
being physical. I love being outside. I love a challenge. Um so, of course,
what do you do? You joined the Marine Corps as a woman cuz it’s the hardest
branch of service. Is that what you I like So I’m I’m just assuming that your
family is not military. No. Okay. So you finished your undergrad. Where’d you
go to school? The College of New Jersey. Okay. and and at that point you’re
deciding on a career path and and the military was the most appealing. I
actually was dating a Marine. Oh, and the structure really appealed to me.
like knowing what quote unquote the mission is, the structure, knowing what’s
expected of you, having these very clearly defined goals, but also um enough
critical thinking to where you have to like achieve that goal through your
own means. Um, and it was very physically demanding. So, I also ran track. I
mean, I was always an athlete. Mhm. And so, I joined ROC and I really loved
it. Um, went to jump school in Georgia, Fort Benning. really loved it and uh
but I didn’t want to join the army. Sorry to anybody in the army. I really
wanted to go like to the hardest branch of service. I joke that the Air Force
didn’t want me cuz I they’re too smart. But I really wanted a challenge. So I
signed up to go to like kind of officer boot camp between my junior and
senior year of college. Got in Quantico. What is that commitment? What does
that mean? You signed up to go to office boot camp. Um, so you there’s a
couple different structures. Um, so I went to one I think it was 8 weeks, 6
weeks, 8 weeks at Quantico and it’s leadership, decision- making, kind of
some light um, tactical like infantry tactics. It’s really putting you under
pressure and forcing you to make decisions kind of under pressure. How are
you going to respond to being cold, wet, tired, hungry, whatever? And I think
my parents were hoping I would hate it and I really just loved it. And I’m
like, this is what I want to do. Really? Yeah. Because that doesn’t
necessarily align with art history. When you do you apply to that? Did you
apply to that? It’s a it’s a pretty aggressive application process, is it?
Oh, yeah. It’s I mean, you have to have recommendations. I wouldn’t say it’s
not like a service academy level. You don’t need like congressional approval
or anything. Yeah. But it’s it’s not like you just sign up and they take it.
Are they doing like background checks on you and talking to all your drug
tests? Yeah. All the friends and family growing up. When they saw art history
on your application what did they they didn’t care. No. I mean they were like
did they didn’t say in the Marines we don’t really have like a they don’t
care. I was really hoping you would say I was really hoping you would say
they kind of giggled. you know, they laughed a little bit like they looked at
art history like they they were like, you know, you’re applying to the for
the Marines, but that I mean, look, it at the end of the day, recruiting is a
sales organization and they have a sales goal. They call it a mission. It’s a
quota. They’ll deny that, but look, I passed the physical. I was physically
fit. I hadn’t done drugs. I hadn’t been arrested. I had a good GPA. You checked
all the boxes. Yeah. They’re like, great, welcome aboard. And um yeah, that’s
how many people wash out of that program? Uh when I went, it was the first
year that women and men had to do exactly the same thing, same distance,
carry the same stuff in your pack, and we had over 50% attrition rate. I
mean, both men and women. Um or just 50%. Just 50%. Yeah. I don’t know how
they like broke it out, but yeah, it was high. How do you I not without
getting too political since you mentioned it. How do you feel about that? How
do you feel about this equal standards? I welcomed it. I mean I am very like
I love being physical. I love physical challenge. So I didn’t mind it. I mean
I’m also 5’8 and like strong. I think it was slightly harder for the girls
who are like 5 foot tall and struggling. you know, they’re carrying a pack
that’s like Yeah. really heavy. Yeah. Um but I don’t I don’t mind it. I mean,
I I do I personally feel like look, when you’re in war, you’re in war. I
mean, the it is what it is and you’re going to people are relying on you and
so if you can’t if you can’t physical requirements, then you are putting
other people’s lives at risk. I know people will disagree with me and as the
military is I mean and I’m talking specifically the Marine Corps Air Force
where you’re a little more removed from the front lines and it’s a little
more cerebral versus physical that may be a different conversation but for
the Marine Corps at least I was proud of the fact that I could carry the same
pack I could shoulder the same weight you know like for me that was a point
of pride um I was like all right those are the standards like let’s get to it
and I you either can or you can’t. I guess that’s my view on it. Yeah. So,
did you feel like uh as you’re going through this experience with the
Marines, did you feel like you were getting some alignment with stuff that
you were really good at doing or stuff you really enjoyed doing? Yeah, for
sure. I think the art history, while I loved it, was always a predetermined
kind of outcome. My dad is a graphic designer. He worked for a lot of big
magazines, L, you know, Lord and Taylor back when they were very exclusive.
And so I don’t think I ever really questioned my path. It was like, you’re
going to go to art school, of course, like that’s what you’re going to do.
And I just never allowed myself to fully explore kind of any other
possibilities. Um, and this opened up a whole new stable of things I really
was good at. And I I loved it. I I loved I think it also I mean I grew up in
a upper middle class neighborhood in New Jersey. Talk about homogeneous. I it
really taught me how the Marine Corps taught me how to get 30, 60, 100
different people from very disparit backgrounds with very different family
origins on the same page moving in the same direction towards one common
goal. I think that’s probably the most valuable lesson I got out of that was
how to get people to work as a team even though they’re coming from
completely different backgrounds. Mh. And I was, you know, moderately good at
that. I mean, I I feel like I I do I’m not great at any one thing. I’m like
75% good at a lot of different things, which is why I was good at CrossFit.
Um, and I think, you know, that’s part of what’s allowed me to be successful
is I’m pretty good at people and like what makes you tick and how do I
motivate you to get on board with the plan here? So when when you’re talking
about this leadership training that you’re getting in the in the Marine Corps
and and taking a bunch of different people from different backgrounds and
molding them into one unit. Uh and I and I know that the you know the
military it it’s strict and there’s a mission and everybody has to be on the
same page and so tell me about how you learned to deal with individuals in
that scenario and and and whether or not you had to like you treated
everybody the same and you just demanded this excellence or you incorporated
a different style of we we have to get everybody on board, but everybody is
motivated differently. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think everybody has this
misconception that once you’re in the fleet marine force, like out of boot
camp, that it’s yelling and screaming and pushing. That’s exactly what I’m
thinking. No, I mean, I think I yelled carrying rucks sacks and you’re in the
sand and you’re all Yeah. I mean you are doing that at times but for the most
part it’s I was in supply logistics and so it was very office based computer
based I mean at that time gosh this was like 199798 so Excel was like just
starting to be a thing and most things were on paper and pencil but um
nobody’s I think I yelled at I think I really like lost my mind on somebody
one time in the entire time I was there because he lied to me which is like
my big thing like I will go to bed for you. Don’t lie and don’t push
responsibility off on others. It’s kind of my one rule for my kids, one rule
for the people that work for me. I can handle any mistake. Don’t lie to me
about it. Then it will come back tenfold. But I don’t I never had to yell. I
had a great team. You have a great like second in command when you’re an
officer who’s a staff NCO. You learn to lean on them heavily, listen to their
advice, and then you do treat everybody individually. You can’t ignore that
and expect that they’re going to that’s not how to make them. You can demand
respect and demand that people get on board or you can command it by
acknowledging that everyone’s individual and saying like, “Hey, I know
that you and Corporal whatever over here maybe don’t see eye to eye on this.
I know you’re two different whatever religions from I mean sometimes it’s
like you’re from two different parts of the city and you may or may not have
been in two different gangs.” Like Mhm. I mean, there is a very real
element of that to where people have these backgrounds and they’re they don’t
like shed that when they come into the Marine where it’s still ingrained.
It’s an identity. And so, you can’t just say like you’re the same. Yeah. You
know, you’re from a Korean household, you’re from a Mexican household, you’re
Buddhist, you’re Catholic. I’m going to treat you the same and expect that
we’re going to get the same outcome out of everybody. So, yeah, you do really
have to have same mission but get everybody there a little differently. Yeah.
Is there any better training in the world, leadership training in the world
outside of the military or the Marines? I don’t know. I haven’t done all the
leadership trainings in the world. Um I mean, they teach the same stuff. I I
do it fairly regularly. I’ll sign up. I’ll try to do these certificate
programs and and it’s what you’re talking about is stuff that they’re
teaching uh outside of the military, but but um you know, you don’t get the
same you don’t necessarily get the same it’s more book. You you don’t get
necessarily the same training in person active all the time. The stakes are
so much higher in the military. Like if you’re a failure as a leader in the
Marine Corps, the outcomes could be you’re knocking on someone’s door to say
like I regret to inform you that your son, you know, and that weighs heavily
on you. I mean, you don’t want to fail cuz nobody wants to deliver that news.
Nobody wants that on their conscience. And so the pressure to figure it out
and get everybody on the same page, you know, or even if it’s not directly
your unit, we’re supporting this other unit. Nobody wants to be the the break
in the chain that kind of created this like storm downstream where people
died or failed their mission. So yeah, like you said, the stakes are just
higher. Yeah. It’s not like misplacing a package, right? Because but I mean
the same leadership principles apply. Well, that’s what I was going to ask
you next is that it must you must be able to lean on that heavily and all of
that experience and in what you’re doing today in your leadership role. Yeah,
I do. I’ve just had to alter it a little bit. You know, when I came out of
the Marine Corps, I’m from New Jersey, so I’m already very direct. I was in the
Marine Corps where you just don’t have the luxury of always like couching
things in very polite soft terms so direct. And I went to work for Eli Liy
and um I was a single mom at the time and I had a team member like not show
up for some meeting at 7:00 a.m. and cuz she her mom had her car keys or
something ridiculous. And I went full Marine Corps on this girl. Like I I
mean not even like boot camp full metal jacket. Just I was mad and I let her
know it and then HR calls me. They’re like, “Hey, you you can’t you know
you can’t really talk to people that way.” So I’ve had to learn like the
principles can exist in the same way. The delivery probably has to be a
little different. So, you know, how do you feel about that? I mean, I I I
guess I understand the differences, but how do you feel about that? Should
the delivery should the delivery be different? Yeah. I mean, look, there are
still sometimes in my brain I want to say one thing in this very particular
way, but if I, you know, what am I trying to accomplish here? Like, nobody’s
dying. We’re not taking this hill. Like, nobody’s shooting at us. What am I
trying to accomplish? and is this delivery it might make me feel better or
vindicated for like 10 seconds cuz I’m so mad but at the end of the day I’m
just alienating these people that I’m trying to get them to work with me and
get to a goal and so is this approach going to get me to the goal? I mean
everything’s goal oriented. So I’ve Yeah, there are times where I definitely
not with my own team. I have a great team. I I can’t really say there’s been
a single time where I’ve wanted to just like go high and to the right with
them. Mhm. It’s more outside entities I deal with and and I but you know I
have to work with them. I’m trying to get to this goal and um as much as I
may be angry losing my mind and getting Marine Corps on them going Marine
Corps. Yeah. I mean great I’ll feel vindicated for 10 seconds and then they
will not return my calls or you know or bound for a few hours cuz they’re
trying to decompress all with the things that just happened. Right. So yeah,
I think it’s just how am I going to get to the goal? Is this the best way?
Yes. Usually the answer is no in corporate America, the Marine Corp. I know.
I sometimes I feel like we should incorporate it more. That may be a
different discussion. How often children? Yes. Children for sure. And I think
dogs definitely. My dog is my favorite member of my family. I feel like dogs
should be treated more like a in a military way. And pe and I think people
typically or do you I’m looking at my husband. I know. Do you have a
disagreement about that? Oh, I have a great Dne that is like my baby and I
let her get away with Oh, and he’s like, right, right. No, no, no. See,
that’s exactly when you need to incorporate the military training. No, my dog
is like my f my kids are like that’s there’s this constant ongoing battle in
my house about who’s the favorite kid and it’s great. It’s the dog. I’m like,
yeah, she doesn’t ask me for money. She’s always happy to see me. Like I know
there there’s a lot of good dog lessons for sure, but there are times when
the dog needs to be like with all due respect, Frank’s definitely in
agreement. My Frank is definitely in agreement with the the Franks are
aligned here. But um yeah. So do you find yourself do you find yourself
utilizing like military terminology when you’re working with your team? like
we’re going to take this hill and the hill is, you know, 50,000 packages this
week. No. No. My mo the most annoying thing in the world to me is people
who’ve been out of the military for so long and they’re still wearing their
cover on top of their head. Like they’re still wearing their combat boots
with their jeans. They’re still talking to I’m like, I’m not in the military.
Let it go. Like take the lessons. But I I hear you. But I app I kind of
appreciate it. Like it’s super meaningful. I think it’s super meaningful. And
so I think you can kind of tell military people who have I I I wouldn’t say that
I knew that you were in the Marines. Okay. But there are people like you’re
standing in line at Starbucks and there’s a guy who walks in and maybe it is
the combat boots or the way that he’s standing or the cut haircut, the glass
like you can tell. Oh god. Oh god. No. Okay, look again. I’ll apologize in
advance for potentially alienating a lot of people, but you do not need to
wear cargo pants and Danner boots and your Oakley wraparound glasses and your
tactical beard to like go to brunch. You nailed it. I don’t love that. You
just nailed it. I don’t I I’ll just be like I love it. Oh, see I I’m like,
dude, the most deadly lethal people who’ve done the most super secret
squirrel stuff, they don’t you would never look at them. They don’t dress
like operators at Starbucks. Like, I think it’s more their demeanor and their
carriage and it’s like a quiet command of any situation they’re in. Like,
they don’t say much, but when they speak, everybody knows like, “Oo, I
better shut up and listen to this guy.” I prefer that type of quiet
dominance over like, you know, Yeah. I I don’t the more the overt like Yeah.
in your face kind of. Well, I I mean, you were you were an you are you’re not
were you are an athlete. I got to see some videos that are barely. Hey,
Frank, will you share those videos? No. Because I’m going to put them we’re
going to put this on there. Like that’s super impressive. And and so it’s
true when I was in team sports uh we had who knows 10 different coaches I
don’t know and there was you could separate those guys. There was the guy
that was always yelling at you like that guy that was his style who’s always
yelling at some point that kind of wears Yeah. And you get stressed
inoculated, right? You’re like, “Oh, is everything an issue?”
Because you’re yelling about everything. Yeah. And then there’s the guy that
is like the disappointed dad. That’s the worst. I know. You know, he’s like,
he puts his arm around you and he’s, you know, he’s like super friendly but
with this message that just you’re you’re like dying like I like just yell at
me. I can’t I know. I can’t believe I let you down. And then there’s the guy
that’s like this and he’s just watching unreadable and Yeah. Yeah. straight
face. If something happens really good, he’s like Mhm. If something happens
bad, he’s like And then that’s the guy you go into the team meeting and
everybody else talks and then he goes to the front and the room’s like dead
silent. He’s the guy that’s like, “Oh, he has something really
meaningful and insightful to say.” Is that you? Is that your style? Um,
that’s a good question. It’s probably better for my team to answer. Um, I
mean, I’m a very I’m the most extroverted introvert you’ve probably ever met.
I am very casual. Like Mhm. I’m very friendly until I’m not. I I’d say like
I’m very jovial and I’m not the disappointed mom for sure. I’m definitely not
a yeller, but I wouldn’t say I’m quiet. Um, but because I very rarely clap
back or get upset, when I do, people are like, “Ooh, we’ve really
crossed a line if Anukica is upset.” So, I’m not the quiet one, but I
definitely use my anger or disappointment very surgically, I’d say. Like, it
really has to be bad if I’m And that’s impactful. You you found that
impactful yelling at people then they’re no that’s like we talk about it’s
like oh jeez here we go again you just tune it out at some point yeah no
question okay so you mentioned like lying being untruthful that’s a thing are
the other things that get you to the point where you’re about to go full
marine not taking accountability so not directly lying but trying to push it
off on other people like everybody makes mistakes perfectionism is a myth
you’re never going to get there. I think you can strive to be like 99.9%. Um,
so you’re going to make mistakes. Just say like, “Wow, I’ve definitely
made a lot of mistakes. Just own it and then we’ll learn from it. We’ll
figure out how not to do it again.” Now, if you’re making like the same
mistake three, four, five times, that’s a different conversation. But um and
I think just lacking um I think being very me centered in a team environment.
If you’re only thinking about yourself and your actions clearly demonstrate
that you’re all about yourself, you’re never going to be successful on my
team. I don’t I don’t think I’d be mad. The conversation would just very much
be like, look, this is a team and you seem to be very worried about yourself.
Like just do your job. Yeah. Do it to the best of your ability. Help your
teammates out. Yeah. And your greatness will be noticed. But when you’re kind
of like kicking your buddy in the gut to try to like step over him, I don’t
love that. I don’t love it. I wouldn’t say it would make me go marine, but
it’s just you’re not going to be successful with us. That I that leads me to
two two questions. Sometimes I do this and then I forget the second question.
Okay, it’s okay. I should have a notepad maybe, but I don’t like that. With
all due respect, I’m just kidding. I’m just kidding. Yes, with all due
respect. Uh, okay. So, lying and no accountability. There’s you mentioned
that every not everyone’s going to be perfect and you mentioned something um
that I think has to do with culture. Those are the two things I want to ask
about. Okay. Okay. So, it feels like you are willing to give a little and and
understand that people maybe even if they’re trying really hard, they’re just
maybe they aren’t going to achieve all of the expectations like we’re not
going to be 100. But it doesn’t feel like you are necessarily personally
aligned with that. Like it feels like everything you do you have to get 100%
or it’s a failure. Am I getting a bill of learning this for therapy? Um, no.
No. This is just interesting. This is a topic that my therapist and I have
dived delved do whatever into. Um, yeah. I think dived. I think it’s I you
know what? That’s a really good question. I don’t know. Can someone Google
that? Yeah. What’s the past tense of dived? Dove dove. I dove dove into that.
I don’t know. That’s really probably some weird speech like past participle
or something. I don’t know. You got it. Regardless, um yes, I struggle to do
as I say. Um, I realize intellectually that people aren’t perfect. I realize
I’m not perfect and that I will never be perfect and I’m working really hard
on forgiving myself when I’m not perfect and I make mistakes and not I carry
mistakes like very deeply. Like I will Frank will say to me he’s like are you
still thinking about that? I’m like, “Yeah, like I get really affected,
especially when my mistakes affect other people.” Um, it’s really hard
for me to let go of that. I I don’t love And it’s so funny cuz I don’t with
my team or people that work with me, I’m like, “Mistakes aren’t a
failure. You didn’t fail anything. Nobody’s upset. Like, let’s learn from
it.” But with myself, I do view mistakes as a certain kind of failure.
And I realized that that like kind of dilutes my message to my team. It’s
kind of like if you won’t accept help, other people don’t feel like they can
accept help from you because you’re judging them. It’s a similar kind of
juxiposition or like cognitive dissonance. So I am working on being more
accepting of my own like imperfection and my own mistakes. But it’s a it’s
challenging. Yeah. Yeah, it’s very you I don’t know if you if you study or
read the Stoics at all, but I might get this