Journey from Wrestler to Watchmaker: An Unconventional Path to Entrepreneur with Rich Eggett

welcome to the know your ship podcast presented by e-hub I’m
your host Frank doce do they edit this or is it just straight up what it is
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little editing We Like It Raw all right raw that’s what we’re going to call
it raw I think a wrestling uh has that term taken some all start wrestling do
they really this is raw with the founder of Rockwell Time rich egot man I
could not be more excited than to have you sitting here with me you look it
can you tell I can tell I can tell we’ve known each other for a long time
I’ve always been fascinated by the way you manage and run a business I think
it’s different in lots of ways than what people might consider traditional
business management but still with a foundation in traditional business
principles I guess would that be fair to say yeah I’m now I’m interested what
what’s the what’s so different like what do you see well I’m gonna have you
tell me the difference because I don’t know what traditional is so there you
go maybe give me tradition this exactly what you just see you just sold it
that perfect you just sold it for me I I think what I’d like to do is before
we get into what you’re doing with Rockwell time and how that evolved which
is an amazing business I like it yeah and we we both are I mean you’re all
you have the socks those pants aren’t shirt hat glasses by the way the
rockwel sunglasses my favorite they’re the best I have this style I have the
aviators oh yeah yeah just got back from Italy just returned from Italy and
uh exciting stuff in the Sunglass World we’re we’re doubling we’re going all
in on sunglasses are you yeah mostly because I like to go to Italy but why
not but no we have uh we went you know when when watches is your main product
there’s a lot of people that will make other um ancillary products and they
do a poor job and so being a watch company we knew and we made a sunglass
there’s a lot of people that go to China China is cheap and easy and they
don’t do a bad job but we knew we could not do a Chinese sunglass so we went
100% Italian handmade sunglasses I think that’s one thing about Rockwell and
Rockwell Time and the products you make it’s a local Utah company and I don’t
know I know the company fairly well I don’t know what others know about the
company but quality product seems to be something that is very important to
you in terms of no knock on China Chinese made product but you’re you’re
making sunglasses you’re going to Italy to make sunglasses because the
quality of the product is yeah it’s it’s hands down there’s a lot of stuff in
in in watches you know we have our price points there’s stuff that’s
assembled in Asia there’s stuff that is 100% made in Switzerland it’s from
start to finish it’s it’s it’s Swiss made Swiss automatic movement and it’s
it’s expensive and then we have started uh recently making some American
built watches what watches are different watches are are really unique
there’s no such thing as a watch Factor unless it’s a super cheap watch but
watches you gather parts from around the world they they do certain things
certain countries do certain things better and I will give the Chinese credit
they’re great at assembly and so there are times we will assemble watches in
Asia um and it’s uh it’s it’s more efficient you know we we have a license
with the um with the AR or the Navy the Air Force the Marines MH so we have
to make sure all of our all of our factories are certified and there’s no
child labor there’s we know the people we work with but uh yeah we really
enjoy doing stuff in Italy and Switzerland here in the US so we started to uh
build a lot or we have four models now that are built here in the us and
we’re making more parts here in the US as well doing customization here
because it’s one we love the you know the America theme and two it’s easier
it’s it’s more expensive but it’s easier to deal with and handle quality
control and handle anything at a local LEL sure so well I have a I have a
conspiracy theory that you like to manufacture product just the places where
you like to travel so you like to go to Italy probably like to go to
Switzerland is that yeah accurate you know we we first started manufacturing
and marketing in things that we understood as far as when we first started
marketing Rockwell we sat down with a group of guys that uh that work there
and said what do you like to do and I believe in authenticity and so you know
we had a guy that was a pro figher a guy that was a pro motocross guy a guy
that was a pro wakeboarder we had skiers that’s that’s where we marketed we
went to the we went to the crowds who we that we understood that we knew and
we could be authentic we were big America guys and you know First Responders
and fire police military that’s who we sold to that’s who we marketed uh uh
our product where we marketed the events that we attended just because we
liked it and then when we got into sunglasses yeah we loved going to Italy
well that’s a great that’s a great start to this story is we’re going to
start where you are now at Rockwell but but I want to go back a little
further like how did you develop this your your business philosophy how did
you get to where you are today so let let’s back up a few a few steps you’re
uh you’re a Utah native is that correct yes grew up in Bountiful Woods
crossly born in uh lived in glendell when I was first born until I was about
six and then moved to Bountiful and was there through and till I graduated
high school uh and back in Davis County now and you graduated from which High
School Bly Bountiful nice Bountiful Braves which is they’ve since changed
their name I know but I still call them the Bountiful bra it’s hard to it’s
hard to get around they are yeah who they are yeah uh so coming out of high
school uh you were you were an athlete wrestler is it fair to call a wrestler
an athlete wrestlers wrestlers are the best athletes let’s be honest I will
tell you I would go to the BYU father and son’s camp and before the camp
they’d always say can all former BYU athletes stand up and I’d always go man
I was a wrestler was I an athlete was I was I an athlete here no I like I
believe me I think that wrestlers are I think that is you know played
football ran track and and wrestled in high school you don’t play wrestling
you know you play the other sports you wrestle you make a pretty good point
and you wonder um I would put a wrestler against any any other sport or
person in the world there’s no there’s no amount of determination dedication
I think look I love all sports but there is something different uh because
wrestling there’s no glory there’s no there’s uh Mark Schultz my uh collegate
coach who I believe is one of the toughest men to ever walk the face of the
Earth and one of the greatest wrestlers to ever live would say the thing
about wrestling is whether you win or lose you still had to wrestle you still
wrestled it’s still brutal it’s still when you get to a level like I see my
son rer he’s wrestling in junior high right now and there are some matches
where he toys with the guy you know he’s it’s not even a match there it’s so
unevenly matched and then there are some matches where the kid is amazing
that he’s wrestling and it’s a battle and it’s a war so at that point yeah
there are some matches that are that are great but even uh for his uh third
and fourth place match last week I mean it went into overtime it was a you
know he had seven matches last week one six his uh his the one he lost was a
brutal match to the very end went went uh the distance but everyone when you
get into tournaments and you get into when it’s qualification tournaments
everybody’s good when I got into college there’s no there’s nothing there
were no easy matches there there’s nothing when I went to the the they have a
thing called the national freestyle championships and and it happened to be
an Olympic year so if you placed there you went to the the uh Olympic trials
there were no every person there that entered tried to kill me it was there
was nothing you know I didn’t score a point and it was so humbling to go you
know you were the opposite of Dan Gable I was the oppos unscored yes I went
unscored and yeah it’s it’s incredible and so but when even when I won and
even when I got to to tournaments where I did well and won the majority of my
matches the worst guy in college is a phenomenal phenomenal wrestler yeah so
so it’s a different it’s it’s it’s just there’s no glory in wrestling it
takes a determination there’s nobody to blame if you lose it’s on you’re all
out there you you have to work and it’s seven minutes long so it’s not like
you have a whole uh two hours to Showcase your skills you’re out there for
seven minutes you practice every day you work on things and the person wants
to hurt you and you know it it’s so yeah I don’t know if we’re athletes but
but uh it’s an interesting point that you make because I would put wrestlers
at the Apex of a of athleticism for things like Focus effort determination
sacrifice all of the meaningful things so I would agree in terms of any other
sport I don’t know if anyone competes on in on that level in those areas I’m
sure you could pick out people from different sports who that have all those
have all those as well but at but but in terms of wrestling it seems like
that’s pervasive throughout you can be successful in wrestling it’s I think
it’s a determination of the rest of your life well I’m glad you said that
because I’m going to make that connection between your wrestling career and
what you’re doing currently and how that led up to this the one thing I would
say about wrestlers and not being athletes is there’s lots of talk about
crossover like could Kobe Bryant would Kobe Bryant also be a great football
player or be a great baseball player Michael Jordan famously great greatest
basketball player of all time played baseball and still you know made it to
the minor Lings was pretty still good not I can’t imagine kale Sanderson
running up and down on a basketball court I mean he would he would would he
just be like the enforcer or here’s that’s very interesting because I I see
certain um we get in this soccer being going to Italy and going to to Spain
and going to the different places yeah they talk about soccer and I always
make the argument I say look in America our best athletes don’t play soccer
they they don’t choose that right now if they did I wonder where it would end
up and then I look at soccer players and I don’t know if our best athletes
could play soccer I no but it would translate much easier so basketball
football soccer I think are three that there might be some crossover if
you’re an athlete in one of those three and you’ve done those things there
can be some crossover you’re an athlete baseball is that you know you’re you’re
up here your hand eye coordination you’re that’s a different baseball might
be a little more difficult it’s a lot of there’s not a there’s no endurance
in baseball there’s no running and there there’s some different skills that
translate there golf is a different one um but the three big that we have and
and and put hockey in there hockey you have to learn to skate yeah but put
the put the big three and I think those athletes translate wrestling does not
I I don’t believe it translate here’s what translate if you give me a
wrestler and you say go become a great look John Stockton was what six feet
tall and and and became what I believe has an argument of one of the very
best basketball players to ever live because of the fact you show me another
person that leads the they they keep track of four categories blocks assists
Steals and points one person owns two of them of every person that’s ever
played so John Stockton not a physical specimen not but he owns two of the
four categories that they that they keep track of in basketball that’s that’s
amazing so if you give me a wrestler and you say put all the effort you put
into wrestling if I took every bit of effort I put into wrestling and put it
into golf or tennis or baseball I don’t know because of the hand ey
coordination but a football or you know I put an effort into football and and
did fairly well and had a few smaller school scholarship offers but if I
would have not wrestled and put all that effort in where does that take you
so I I think a wrestler but the athleticism of wrestling doesn’t translate
yeah running up and down a basketball court I get more takedowns in
basketball than I do points scored so so it just doesn’t translate it’s a
different now it translate into MMA and translates into a few other things
but it doesn’t translate into the big three is porish so by the way Penn
State kale Sanderson again oh my God National Championship dominant SOB so
unbelievable so good well before we get into this I mean I think you’re
making you’re laying this really good foundation for everything it takes to
be a competitive wrestler and how you can utilize that in your life I think
all of those lesson I want you to talk about all of those lessons that you
learned and and how that’s helped you today I would like to talk about your
experience at BYU because you mentioned Mark Schultz your coach and there’s
an it’s it’s a an Infamous story about his brother Dave yeah and you were you
were in not involved in it but you were I was in the I was in the office with
him when he got the call and so tell tell us just a little bit of the
background of that story and where you were so if you’ve seen the movie Fox
catcher um it it uh and there’s a and that’s H some crazy stuff there it’s
not it’s not so true there’s a lot of truth to it but Benn Miller who who did
the Moneyball took a lot of Liberties and actually one liberty that Mark
almost uh ended Ben at Miller over but uh but yeah there was there was a
little that’s another podcast yeah it’s another story but it it got brutal
for what Mark was going after Bennett for some stuff that he did not like
about the movie um there’s a great documentary I believe ESPN did on on the
on that that is phenomenal better watch than than Fox catcher even though
they had great actor Steve Carell from the office play uh uh who’s the guy
that plays Mark Schulz uh channy Tatum yeah so yeah Mark is actually in the
movie as a ref weighing chanting in wearing one of our watches kind of cool
is that right yeah so so so who who’s better looking Mark or Channing Tatum
oh I’d say Mark by far because Mark can beat me up and I don’t think Channing
can Channing is also a heck of dancer though got yeah I’ve hav seen that
movie but I’m glad I’m glad you have so yeah it terrible story uh there was a
guy John Dupont I believe he’s the guy who invented the triathlon as well but
he was a rich heir to the DuPont Fortune uh strange strange guy had lots of
uh lots of issues in his life but he loved wrestling and he he created a whole
campus at his farm and had wrestling rooms and and he brought Mark over and
he he funded there there was no funding for wrestling back then and he did a
he did something that helped wrestlers and they went and they trained and he
gave them a platform and he gave them training and and and basically paid him
to be part of his team Mark finally said hey enough’s enough I I can’t deal
with this guy if you watch the movie you see some things he it just wasn’t
worth it well Dave was making a comeback at uh at I believe 36 37 years old
uh to go try to hit the Olympics again and actually when I went with Mark to
the National freestyle uh championships in Vegas I was in Dave’s weight well
Mark was my coach and I wasn’t worried that but this I was also in the weight
of Pat Smith Pat Smith was the first four-time national champion in the
history of college wrestling and so I was so nervous I’m like oh man I hope
I’m not on his side you know how how do I go this and Mark told me he goes
don’t worry about Pat worry about Dave and I kind of laughed I’m like Dave’s
old like I mean he’s been out of the sport he’s older than you mark you know
and he’s like no worry about Dave and I said not worried about Dave and uh
I’m worried about Pat and anyway go through I didn’t have to worry about
either of them because I didn’t make it that far but but I got there and my
buddy Morgan Robinson actually scored a point on Dave I think it was it the
only Point scored upon him the whole tournament and he literally punished Morgan
for scoring that point beat him up just just destroyed him kicked him in the
face I mean just beat him up but uh anyway it gets down to a match between
Dave and and Pat Smith and I’m thinking Pat’s going to destroy him Pat’s a
four time first in the history of the sport not even Dan Gable nobody had had
won four national championships and he’s going against this old man in my
book and uh they go out there and I believe Dave beat him 10 to nothing and
they stopped the match they called it well at that’s uh that’s a Tech fall
like it’s over I don’t think Pat scored a point on Dave so Dave goes on to
win it most likely will make the Olympics goes back to Fox catcher Farms okay
so that there’s word and he went back there to train for theps yeah and do
everything and and because I think because Mark left uh Johnny want to get
his claws into Dave and anyway I believe it John was so crazy that that Dave
was contemplating leaving and so he came out he drove down there came out uh
Dave came outside his wife and two kids were there and John just joh killed
him right in his front yard so Dave was there coaching working on just
working out you know preparing for the Olympics they had a house cuz they had
houses and and training facilities and was wor DuPont’s big old Fox catcher
Farms Mark was gone Mark was at BYU at that time coaching you uh Dave at this
time I think I was coaching with him i’ already graduated and I was and so
Dave was maybe threatening to leave with his family deont and deont was a
weird dude oh he was uh he had mental health issues just a ton of them he was
mentally ill and so he he murdered Dave right there in the driveway right
there in the driveway yeah and you I was when he got when he got the call I
i’ see these brick walls Mark punched a brick wall and I promise he moved it
it it was it was insane it was a tough time for Mark they were close I mean
they were high school national champions together they were collegate
national champions together they were world champions together they were
Olympic Champions together like there’s no yeah there I mean they were they
were close yeah that’s an unbelievable yeah it was a it was a bad day
unbelievable story okay well I want to go back to your now your can I ask
something first can I absolutely so I want to know who it was so who just you
got to know what I’m talking about I get the uh email on the podcast yes that
that gives you the hey the instructions here here’s what it is yeah that was
me okay no who is the person that it was written for that where you have a
line in there that says please wear comfortable clothes so you’re not moving
around and adjusting your pants and your shirt the whole podcast it it wasn’t
written for you you well I no no I want to know who did you’re wearing
comfortable clothes no but I want to know who came here and that you had to
put a note in there that said wear something comfortable so you’re not like I
mean who danced who who who who did it nobody these days these days nobody I
mean I am I I feel like I should do a podcast on how to dress appropriately
in the workplace nobody I mean the business cat it’s so far below a business
casual these days in the workplace that it makes me uncomfortable this I mean
this is how I dress every day I you you’re sharp you’re sharp I feel
comfortable I mean I’m not adjusting anything am I was nervous I’m like man
I’m dressed up I’m wearing pant my son asked me my son asked me if I was
going to church today because I have pants on so you know I had uh I had
Fernanda B and Mel berkin oh man is he the best the greatest and he and I
thought that we would invite you to lunch which we should still do let’s do
that and then and then the way that we were going to dress is that I was
going to get an oversized hoodie and some basketball and some extra long
basketball shorts and then we were G to we were going to both show up like
that Michael was talking about wearing a headband but I don’t know if that’s
I haven’t worn one for a while I cut my hair you so my hair is much shorter
you you’ve gone through you you know you guys are lucky you can go through
different iterations this is all you get I mean I do the same thing Wednesday
was my sh today sh it looks good looks good thank you Mine mine’s the
shortest it’s been in years it looks good you look good like I mean I’ve
known you for a long time and you look like you are getting back down to your
fighting weight I’m never going to make that again but close but but yeah
that’s one of the thing that’s one of the terrible things about being a
wrestler is I look at a bunch there’s some that are still dedicated and they
look really good but I remember telling my wife when when uh I got done
wrestling I was 28 you know and I’m like okay I’m not there’s no further this
isn’t going anywhere um got done coaching Mark hired me as a student
assistant then just a part-time faculty of BYU to to help out and uh and once
I left the program I told my wife I said listen man I started when I was five
I didn’t know what butter tastes like I didn’t know what ice cream tastes
like I didn’t have chocolate or candy or I didn’t drink soda pop for 20s
something years didn’t have soda didn’t have anything you know I was I would
play football at 200 PB my ninth grade year I wrestled 145 my 10th grade year
I wrestled 145 my 11th grade year I wrestled 145 my senior year I wrestled
189 so but but I play those other years I would play football at 200 205 and
I would wrestle at 145 wow you know that’s 55 60 lbs a year so it’s not
healthy it’s not good for you but I took a break and I it was terrible I hear
you it’s not healthy and it’s not good for you I I I I know what you’re
saying but there’s also this what we were talking about earlier this
discipline and focus and determination that goes along with being successful
in the sport and and so as I look at you now as a business owner there has to
be lesson learned from your experience growing up as a wrestler and maybe
even depriving yourself of things that has helped you build this organization
and the success that you have today is that fair I I would for sure think
that that look if you’re going to um if you’re going to compete or you’re
going to uh you’re going to try to you know in business business is uh my
brother just sent me something from Elon Musk who said yeah business is not
owning a business is not great it’s you have to deal with all the terrible
things you have to you know the big problems you have to deal you don’t get
to deal with the fun stuff you deal with the problems you deal with the the
hard things it’s difficult to start there are times I mean there’s a reason
that 99.9% of the businesses are out within or out of business in the first
three years there’s a reason that thousands and thousands start and very few
are around in three years and five years there’s a reason that it’s not fun
all the time it’s not but with wrestling man that it’s not practice isn’t Fun
and it’s mundane you do the same thing over Mark Schulz used to say I did
what I hated the most the most that’s how he got better like he said I did
what I hated the most the most he had another saying that he would say look I
know what you’ve got you know what I’ve got try to stop me so you can watch
their matches you can watch it and so whenever I think that you get into a
situation look if you’re going to fight me if you’re going to compete with me
man pack a lunch bring a hard hat cuz I don’t think you can go to deep I’ve
been to deep Waters I’ve been to deep Waters and wrestling I’ve gone days and
days you know it’s popular now to do the 32 60 a million day fast whatever
they’re doing now you know all of these things it’s it’s like I remember when
it was just like a 40-day thing yeah yeah yeah but but people you know
they’re doing this and it’s and it’s hard I man I respect the heck out them
because I’ve done that you know I’ve done the you know and they’re having
water as well but I I’ve been three days without food or water I’ve done
weeks without stuff sounds like you did the very very little very little and
being able to deprive yourself of of what you want now to be able to compete
a little bit better tomorrow or to be able to do a little more because it is
mundane doing the same thing over and over till you perfect it or till you
and to also you react wrestling is a chess match as well because you’re
reacting to what someone else does if you remember we used to have the um
Johnny Richie and I used to have the radio show on ESPN and and we actually
had to buy the show because I remember one time talking about sports and
talking about some things I don’t think are a sport just like I said I don’t
know if wrestlers are athletes uh you know I think they’re the greatest
competitors of all time but are you know are you an athlete I I think I could
make an argument that they’re the greatest athletes to ever live or we’re not
even athletes and we’re just competitors and or Warriors what what you know
Battlers but with with uh certain Sports I look at and I rank them of what
effect does your opponent have upon your performance and if your opponent has
no effect on your performance I don’t think it’s a sport it’s a hobby it’s a
it’s something else so so if I look at it and I say um you know obviously
football your opponent has your your performance is affected by your opponent
sure if I look at basketball if I look at hockey if I look at baseball um if
I look at now I go to track I love track it’s it’s one of my favorite sports
I love my son to play but if I’m high jumping and you’re high jumping you
have no we’re not even doing it at the same time there’s you can’t you have
no effect on my performance if I look at gymnastics if I look at cheerleading
if I look at golf I don’t think golf’s a sport uh you you’re you’re playing
at 8 in the morning I’m playing at noon the different conditions different
everything’s different let me ask you a question about that it’s an
interesting point but let’s just say writer out there competing and he’s in
the long jump and his longest jump is tell tell me what would his long does
he compete in the long jump yeah yeah okay so what is J last year as a 13
year 12 year I can’t remember he qualified for the Junior Olympic he won the
state with a 174 um4 yeah in his age group and then he went to the eight uh
uh there’s eight states in a region and he won that one um again in the 17s
then we went to the Junior Olympics of the whole United States and in his age
group in 133 12 and 13 I think it was uh or maybe it’s 13 14 I can’t remember
um there were kids getting 20 feet you know so I believe he was he was top
but his jump was still he qualified for the top for the finals which I think
was 20 kids or 25 kids so he was in the top 25 in the United States and and
but you can’t tell me that as he’s jump and he jumps an 18 that some kid runs
and jumps and can look down and go oh I’m going to get 18 but doesn’t he know
that doesn’t he know does writer know like hey my best jump is 147 this kid
just jumped 18 174 but 174 I’m going to have to jump 18 that affects his performance
I don’t know but you don’t know where you put your you can’t tell I I I
disagree I mean I just don’t think and and golf you know oh I’ve got to get
it in in three or what I don’t think it’s a sport I just don’t it’s it’s
incredibly entertaining it’s incredibly I am so impressed with golfers
because could never do that but they’re not athletes no I I wouldn’t say
they’re not athlete they’re an athlete because they train and they do their
stuff I would say they’re athlete I think you can be an athlete but your
sport it’s a okay it’s a sport but it I categorize them is how much of so
even in football the left guard has no effect on the performance of the
defensive back or the vice versa there’s some one-on-one but you can lose a
foot we lost our state playoff game because our kicker missed the and you’re
a kicker you know missed a couple extra points couple field goals I also uh a
a dropped pass I can have the game of my life and someone can drop a pass or
someone can do a pass interference or something it’s it’s a little bit
different your actual performance can’t seal a game basketball you could have
the game of your life but your other guys could be terrible so so that’s kind
of to me a step below like I think tennis that’s that’s a if I were to put a
pinnacle of sports boxing wrestling tennis one-on-one Sports without
teammates that you have a direct effect on the outcome of the event and and
on the performance of your comp so you might just categorize that as a
different level of but if there’s nothing gymnastics you run out and do your
flips and tricks and stuff one of the most incredible things I’ve ever seen I
respect them more than anything but you no matter what you do and I take
another level things that are judged if there’s like are you talking like
figure skating I might agree with you on that if it’s judged even like even
most sports have a referee but it’s it’s it some things are judgment calls
but if there’s no chance for an ending and and in the Pinnacle my Pinnacle of
Pinnacles are a chance that no matter what the score is to end the contest so
boxing there’s a you could lose 10 rounds and knock them out the 11th
wrestling you can be losing by 10 points and pin them uh if if you look at um
MMA there’s a tap out there’s a knockout to me those are the Pinnacle that
that it’s not judged if you leave it in the judge’s hand as soon as it comes
to a judgment I don’t I that’s what takes MMA down a notch for me and boxing
down and where wrestling there’s no there’s no judgment at the end you scored
the point or you didn’t now there is some judgment calls on the referee but
it takes it to there um gymnastics figure skating diving some of the most
incredible and I love the watching them but if there’s three people holding
up a number at the end or a ski race that’s timed or something incredible
what they do their athletes are incredible but I don’t consider if you cannot
directly affect the performance of your competitor how is that that’s a
different kind of sport to me where would you put where would you put Dancing
with the Stars in that oh the top of the top no no but but it’s another
judged thing but even dancing is judged and I just can’t stand that you can
do your best and someone else can do better you can affect you can’t go out
and punch them when they’re dancing you can’t yeah I think maybe maybe I’ve
always talked about full contact golf like I think that would be more
entertaining yeah they have full contact wrestling now or basketball I don’t
know if you’ve seen that I don’t I don’t know that I’ve seen that church ball
no no but they really do they really do have uh a full contact basketball
where you can tackle them you canow it’s kind of a wrestling basketball mix
so anyway that’s that’s kind of um have no idea where I was going with that
story well I’m going I’m going to bring you back to this your the the things
that you learned in wrestling and applying those to your business life you
you said like there’s no one who’s going to outwork you who’s going to out
that’s probably where it was going so so how does that how does that affect
you today how has that it goes back to reaction okay so in wrestling you have
to react to what your opponent is doing and you have to overcome that
obstacle or do something else you have to you watch you learn about you know
what they do well and you have to do stuff so in wrestling it’s helped me
because I can react to situations and not panic and know that it’s going to
be tough and know that even a win sometimes you get beat up and if you have
look I’ve gone through good and bad with employees good and bad with Partners
I I’ve had some you know and you have to move on when you’re done with the
wrestling match a lot of times you’re in a tournament and and your goal is to
take first place well when you lose a match it’s impossible to take first
place anymore so you have to determine am I going to do the you know it
there’s a consolation bracket you have to go down there so you have to
wrestle more times you have to go throu