Jaycee Carroll’s Life After EuroLeague Basketball: Wagyu Beef, Wealth Management & More

I have this mind that just gets obsessed with different ideas
and until I know the answers to all the questions I don’t stop so that
happened like six or seven years ago with beef and wagu and so I just went
down and I’d get home after practice and I’d be on the phone calling wagu
producers calling wagu nutritionists calling wagu um breeders to find the
best genetics to find the what’s available in the United States and to find
the best feed program to be able to feed these animals to get the you the A5
level quality of meat that you want to get with the the olec fat that melts
in your mouth and and how to get the most of that how to cook it how to how
to raise it and I became obsessed with it so yeah I started a small um wagu
beef company that I I started to raise in my backyard welcome to the know
your ship podcast presented by e-hub I’m your host Frank doce all right
welcome back to the know your ship podcast I I feel like this is a great
honor to have you here on the on the podcast well thanks you’re you’re too
kind I don’t know if it’s an honor but I am happy to be here um we joked
before that hey I’m okay I like talking about myself that’s usually not not a
big issue for me those are the best kind of guests JC Carroll this is a
fantastic story I love the story we got to know each other we played in a
little golf outing about about a year ago and uh and and of course I’ve known
All About You CU I follow Athletics in in the state of Utah and and it’s a
great story about what you accomplished here at Utah State University and
then of course what you accomplished overseas but but then the way you were
able to to transfer those skills into into your business life so hopefully
we’ll get to talk a little bit about that today yeah that’d be great grew up
in Wyoming yeah born in born in larmy Wyoming raised in Evanston uh grew up
there had a great childhood my parents were both Educators um coaches so they
were School teachers and uh my dad coached my entire life my mom coached
academic the cathlon and things like that so she was the brains my dad was
The Jock and uh um you know I I did everything I did every sport you could do
uh grew up swimming competitively I did wrestling football basketball golf
track cross country just any anytime I got a chance to compete I was there
you you grew up in Evanston and you named all the sports but I didn’t hear
Rodeo once in there no no Rodeo um I was a city as much City kids you can get
from Evon Wyoming was me um my grandpa had a dairy and so there were horses
and stuff there were opportunities to kind of get out in the country but uh
yeah I was I was a city kid my dad I like my dad was a pretty big influence
on my life he uh you know he had just had things he’s like hey JC I grew up
on a ranch I had chores I had summer thing you know at summer jobs yeah goes
I can’t provide that for you so your job is going to be Sports you you you
play sports or you go get a job um and you know hey I will pay for you going
to Mission you’re going to pay for your college so all these kind of things
were kind of set in early and uh luckily I I love sports I’m going to say
they they came kind of naturally to me but I put a lot of time into them as
well to be good I was going to ask you about that we’ll get into your accomplishments
in a minute and and there extensive but did you always feel that early on
that you just gravitated like you had a a gift a knack for athletics yeah I
mean I did and I I tease people and I I’m kind of I’m kind of aware of it um
but I would starting early you know swimming was my first thing that I had to
do that was my first chore that my dad gave me so you know kindergarten I’d
go to class I’d ride my bike from kindergarten up to the high school where
swim practice was and I practiced for an hour swimming um then my dad was
coaching basketball next door in the gym so I go from swimming to the gym and
I just would be in the gym with the basketball watching my dad coach and uh
the swimming you know I was I I just I got early success because I was I end
up being pretty good at it and they’re great with little kids that anytime
you win they give you trophies and they give you medals and they give you
plaques your incentive so every weekend we go and I I just start winning
stuff and uh I I think it just gave me confidence that hey you can figure
this out this is fun okay so let me ask you this question how how meaningful
was the natural talent and how meaningful was your work ethic in developing
that yeah I think that’s a really good question um I I kind of tell people
one of my favorite books I’ve ever read is outliers and there’s a chapter
there that talks about genius and there’s there’s a level of like genius
there’s a level where there’s enough that you can have any conversation in
any room and so I kind of read that and when it came to my athletic ability
my size my height my speed my my jumping ability um in Evans Wyoming it was
Elite and then as you go up levels like it becomes less Elite and it becomes
enough like I I got enough I got enough height I’m 6’3 I had enough
athleticism I mean I had Max vert in the NBA Combine of 39 39 in which isn’t
bad but then beyond that I had to have a very unique skill set I had to have
something that set me apart and for me it became scoring the basketball um
and I dedicated myself very very early on to that it’s about 8th 8th nth
grade we had a team meeting with our high school coach and he gave us a a
shooting workout they said this is what I want you to do this summer it’s 500
shots a day you do it you do it all these days this summer you’d be in the
10,000 shot Club I was like okay there’s my way to get better and I I was
disciplined with it I was up at the gym at 6:00 a.m. in the summer it uh I
was lifting weights then my dad’s other rule was I had to have a summer job
so I clean baseball fields I painted the lines I rake the fields I um clean
the bathrooms I clean the bleachers and that was from 7:30 till 3:30 and then
the gym would open up again at 5:00 at night so I go back to the gym 5:00 at
night I shoot my 500 shots that’s how I Spent My Summer yeah that’s great I
love that I I so you’re not LeBron James no I mean you don’t have the same
physical gifts as uh as a LeBron James and and so you had to rely on your
your Talent Plus making sure you maximized your talent yeah and that’s and
that’s what it what it became for me and it became an obsession like I was
very disciplined with it from an early age I mean High School typical high
school kid now don’t me wrong I chased girls and I had girlfriends and and I
I wanted to do all those things but I just locked in early that I can do that
after my job was done after my shots were done after I made the 500 I was
just free as a bird mentally I like all right what am I going to go do now
but until then it was an obsession in the back of my mind like you’re not
done you didn’t do your work you didn’t do your work and I knew exactly how
long it would take me I mean I was in the gym I could get 500 shots game
shots in in an hour and 25 minutes so I had to go to the gym I was there for
an hour and 25 minutes I could do my shots game speed I was tired like I’m
sweating like that was my conditioning so was there any did you have to make
a certain number of shots or were you were just getting up 500 shots in high
schools getting up 500 shots as I got into college and that that would put me
to about 10,000 a summer as I got into college it it changed to I had to make
20,000 every summer so in so that was my summer routine in college was 20,000
makes every summer 20,000 makes now 20,000 makes which just took it to a
whole another level and and I can see I can see the Improvement for my
freshman of sophomore Jor senior year uh freshman year people didn’t really
know who I was I was on a good team I was back from a mission um but as a
freshman I averaged 15 points a game in division one basketball um started
every game I played and I shot 49% from three which was um unbelievably good
percentage then I got into my sophomore year people knew about me and they
took my jump shot away a little bit mhm I improved from 14 15 to 16 points a
game but my percentage went down and I struggled so that summer I went back
to work and developed uh you know secondary options to shoot to shooting
gotcha very well I think these are things I’m I’m glad we’re laying down this
Foundation because I want to ask you about how these things have transferred
to your to your business life and and one of those things work ethic
discipline I’m sure those things will come up again so so how did you end up
I I also think it’s interesting you said you had Elite Talent in Evanston
Wyoming H H how did you end up at from Evanston to to Utah State University
yeah that was that was a little interesting so yeah and EV in Wyoming again
um state of Wyoming I was I was all State basketball you know all state track
um I was close to saying State records in in some hurdle events and stuff
like that um Elite Speed Elite Talent Elite uh but then I struggled to get
recruited though I mean I got letters from 200 schools but when it came down
for someone to actually say hey here’s a scholarship we’d love to have you I
didn’t get those phone calls um my senior year of high school I averaged 40
points a game 39 point something um we were the number one team in the State
BYU had come down Utah had come down and watched me University of Wyoming a
little bit and Utah state had came a few times and uh in the end BYU was kind
of like N I don’t know Rick maer that the U was like H you’re only 6’3 you’re
not going to be an NBA guy eh we’ll see University of Wyoming was like hey um
if in the perfect world you’ll come play here so I’m sitting I’m sitting at
home over spring break and universe wyomi said Hey JC be at home at this time
I we didn’t have cell phones this was this was 20 this was 2002 we had like
one family cell phone that would travel with us and so we’re at home with the
the cord phone he’s like be at home at this time coach is going to call like
all right cool here’s my offer here it comes phone rings it’s an assistant
coach hey coach is out of town he’s kind of busy he can’t he’s not here like
okay now what so my dad goes let’s go put my whole family we went in the car
this was over our spring break and we went for a drive we drove to the
University of Idaho we stopped in their their basketball offices and said hey
I’m JC Carroll I want to play college basketball they said great go down and
play play with our guys they’re playing pickup you brought your stuff brought
my stuff brought my shoes I went down and played pickup with their guys
killed it uh we stopped at Utah State we said hey I’m JC I’m here to I want
to play college basketball I said great our guys are playing pickup go play
with them so I went down played um y killed it I I came first first play the
entire uh Rat ball session I come down off a screen jump up shoot it make a
three-pointer um after that I learned later that Spencer Nelson and Bay went
upstairs and said to the coach and said hey this guy’s good we need him uh
stopped at Weber State go we’re not interested and that was my spring break
um I got a call from Utah State they said hey we offered you and one other
person a scholarship whoever says yes first gets it so I was like I was like
all right you didn’t know the other guy didn’t know the other guy had no idea
who he was it took me about an hour and a half call him back say hey be love
to come to Utah State and they said great here you go years later I ran into
coach Ray he was the head coach of Weber stay said hey who was that other guy
JC there Randy Ray Randy Ray yeah he goes JC there was no other guy there’s
other like oh like come on so so that’s how I got to Utah State I was not
highly touted highly recruited not a lot of expectations on me being a great
division one college basketball player you’re a guard I’m a guard yep that’s
really interesting all of the accolades coming out and and you wanted to go
to Wyoming correct if that if he called I was at Wyoming 100% I mean I I hate
to admit it but I still see the brown and gold sometimes and I’m like that
would have looked good let me ask you a question about that I I grew up
playing in The Wack and and so at the University and I loved watching The
Wack okay so we played we played Wyoming but we always I mean the Wyoming
colors were not what you would call like people didn’t say oh the brown and
gold like that they said like oh the brown and gold that’s cuz you’re not
from Wyoming listen in Wyoming you there are 500,000 people in the entire State
all your teachers are University wami graduates there’s a deep sense of pride
in the 307 we’re the only state that has one area code 307 yeah and if you
drive through you can get the stickers and t-shirts and everything it’s the
whole state and the 307 yes and so you grow up your teachers are going what’s
Wyoming saying what’s Wyoming saying you grow up you’re watching Midnight
Madness as Wyoming plays the University of Utah against Britain Johnson and
and Jeff Johnson and Keith Van Horn and you’re going yeah I want to beat
these guys uhhuh we hate BYU because we we like to party and we like we like
our cakes at our at our houses and our parties and After parties BYU
obviously doesn’t right so they’re the they they’re the anti- Wyoming yeah
and that’s that’s where I grew up and so yeah the brown and gold takes on a
whole different significance in your life it’s there’s much more meaning
there I can see that your dad your dad’s grad is graduate from there his
dream world is I go to Wyoming yeah I hear you we we would we would walk into
the stadium and uh at at Wyoming and it was pretty rough treatment oh yeah oh
yeah we’re we’re not kind we’re not polite you know they got the signs
welcome to 7,280 Ft how’s your how’s your air how’s your breath it’s hard
playing in that yeah that must have been an advantage for you coming from
that altitude oh yeah look I so one I think everyone that kind of plays high
level has some kind of superpower they’re really athletic they they shoot the
heck out of the ball you know mine was kind of my endurance I had a
cardiovascular system that was that was you Elite even when I went to the
professional levels like that was like I could outrun um I have like a 40 40
beat per minute resting heart rate like my cardiovascular system is great and
I I attribute to I grew up at elevation I swam where we do underwaters you
know underwater 50 yard things where we just building the the lung capacity
that we have so um so yeah that was one of my Elite things and I grew up at
elevation and took advantage of it why did you choose basketball by the way
you you played all the sports sounds like you were accomplished in all the
sports but you you came out playing basketb yeah through sixth seventh and
eighth grade it was kind of tough between swimming and um in basketball
swimming I mean I was at swimming camps I was I was in the pool with people
that later went on to be Olympic gold medalists like not exaggerating actual
Olympic gold medalists and I was swimming in camps with these guys I was I
was going to the you know I didn’t quite make junior Nationals I was going to
like the call zones Zone meets in in Maui in sh in California and but
ultimately swimming you’re in a pool head in the water twice a day it’s not
nearly as much fun as basketball and basketball just became my love like I I
I love basketball did you develop more discipline coming out of the pool or
out of basketball because I know what the swimming workouts are like it is
it’s early early morning it’s in the evening you’re practicing twice a day
and you’re just going oh laps taking laps down and the mental toughness you
build because you have no one to blame if you don’t win you’re competing
against yourself I mean there’s the clock you got to try to beat yourself but
then you got the guys next to you and I think it just instilled a lot of
mental toughness into to what it takes to compete what it takes to win um and
I just was able to to to do that you know wrestling I think does something
similar yeah wrestling’s funny I watch wrestling you they’re the toughest
kids in the world but you’ll see the more more tears at drling meets than any
other any other place you’ll ever be you think they’re big softies is that oh
man oh man but but there’s so much there’s so much stress effort like
determination all of the things in wrestling and and those three those three
periods have to be just oh oh it’s brutal it’s brutal it’s no wonder that all
the emotions let loose after an experience like that they’re tough kids and
again I so in in Wyoming 6th 7th e8th grade you could wrestle for your school
so you had a wrestling season so I wrestled 6th 7th e8th grade it was hardest
the least favorite thing I ever did swimming was the second hardest thing I
ever did but like what Michael Phelps accomplished like it just blows my mind
and his story I’ve seen him on talking he’s like yeah for four years I was in
the pool every single day preparing for that Olympics where I won eight gold
medals or whatever it was I didn’t miss a day and I believe him like yeah guy
was amazing wow very interesting okay so are you would you say that you
you’re taking more after your dad at this point or or and your mom was an
educator did you also Excel on the on that side of it on the academic side
yeah yes but just because not because I was overly I I just did my work I I
showed up I did the work and look if I if I did poorly in something I I
learned this pretty early on if I went and talk to a teacher and said look I
did bad on this this test what can I do to make up for this bad test usually
they’d work with you so I kind of learned those kind of interpersonal skills
pretty early u i remember talking to my sixth grade teachers being like oh
man I I bomb this test I have a b right now your class how could I get an A
MH and so yeah I finished middle school with a 4.0 I finished high school
with like a 3.9 um so I was good but not because I was I just did my work I
know but isn’t that such a great lesson yeah you you have to show up and and you
have to do work and if you do those two and I mean if you look back on it now
that’s probably a lesson that you you teach your kids show up and do your
work and you’re going to find a way to succeed oh yeah absolutely you know
I’m I’m very fortunate uh you know my oldest daughter here I don’t know why
where she gets it it she has showed me your Port guard yesterday she’s got
was it five A’s five out of five five out of five A’s I think it’s cuz
schools are so easy now oh definitely when we were in school yeah I mean they
were task Masters oh man but uh you know whatever reason she’s kind of got
that but she she’s much more intelligent than I am like she’ll she’ll pass me
and in knowledge soon she reads like crazy and stuff like that super proud of
her not that I’m not proud of my other kids but she’s she’s really been
exceptional when it comes to that kind of stuff she’s a good leader oh
absolutely she’s taking on the leadership mantle as the oldest child good for
you that’s Bella yeah good for you way to go all right so you’re at Utah
State uh you’re there for four years yep you’re I mean we we don’t have to go
through the list if if you want to look it up just go check out Wikipedia and
find JC Carroll like you have accomplished so many things you still hold
several records yeah up at Utah State and in in Utah State Collegiate
basketball the interesting thing to me is it seems like you faced the same
same thing you came as coming out of Evanston high school and trying to find
College like where is all of interest in this guy who can clearly score at
will yeah it was it just you know that was just kind of story of my career I
don’t blame people I mean I um you know as I came out of NBA drafts and stuff
like that I’d have I’d be in camps and I’d be in mini camps and I’d I do well
MH um and I the comments I get from GMS and stuff as I was there goes oh you
did a really good job you just don’t pass the Look test you don’t pass the
eyeball test and I just kind of like hm I don’t know what that means um you
know I need a little more explanation but they say things like that and you
know I I can summize as this like if I put a baseball hat on I look like a
fan in the stadium like I don’t look special I don’t look unique which is
fine but I could do unique and special things um you know when it came to the
pre-draft workouts I did I had 12 I think pre-draft workouts in 14 days and
that’s all across you know I’m in Sacramento I’m in I’m in uh New York I’m in
um Portland and the way those things worked is typically if you had done the
max vert you done the for cone drill they just would ask you and say hey I
did it here and they go oh great we’ll just call them and get it MH you know
one one thing that was kind of funny was at Portland they did the max vert
and that’s where I went you know 39 in which was like the second highest in
that year’s draft class that’s a big jump of 200 that’s it’s a good jump yeah
and uh I was like all right cool so I get to Sacramento the next day I was
like oh yeah I did this yesterday they go we heard they go we want to see it
oh so they’re like we want to see it like okay so I went I went 38 that day
um and then we had to do the four cone drill and I had the fastest time that
they they had in that pre-draft class and they go rather than be like hey
that’s fast they go uh you’ve been practicing this haven’t you and I just
kind of look I was like hasn’t everyone at this point like practiced this in
preparation for this like if you haven’t what are you doing and doesn’t that
tell you something about the guy hey he’s taking the series practicing he’s
preparing for this yeah so I had so crazy so I had some of that stuff but it
it was fine um I went to Orlando with the New Jersey Nets and uh did great I
was second Team all tournament for that I played point guard for the first
time in four years and I I thought I was like this is it like I’m going to
get so you’re shooting guard through college yep wanted me to play point
guard and they wanted you to play point okay yeah because go back to 2008 as
I sat in these interviews they go you’re a two guard who were the two guards
in the league at that time Kobe Bryant you know 67 68 Tracey McGrady Vince
Carter and their question be well how you going to guard Kobe Bryant it was
kind of easy like well nobody really does it very well yeah um he’s I’ll
probably be the guy off the bench uh not guarding Kobe Bryant yeah and how
are they going to chase me around for around the court yeah like they can’t
keep up with me going around greens like 66 doesn’t keep up with 63 when 63
has a motor like I had mhm and uh and those answers weren’t convincing enough
for anyone but so so end up going over well you so the your dream is to play
professional basketball oh yeah and and the NBA which is everybody who wants
to play professional basketball that’s where they want to play the NBA says
you don’t pass the eyeball test yep and your your response is what but but
did the basketball go in the hole and did my team win CU that was the big thing
I mean Cleveland Cavaliers they brought in 24 guys 20 guys and they set up
four different teams and they had us compete for a weekend I was just I was a
point guard for my team my team won the thing and I’m sitting there with with
GMS and they’re going oh you did really good like you got all these shots you
know um was men this with Damon stm’s like oh you got all you got all the
trick shots I’m like what what talking like floaters and Runners and and jump
shots like yeah that’s just B basketball like that’s I’m I’m good at this and
uh and so I I just kept thinking i’ i’ I’d get it I’d get it in the end yeah
I just I didn’t get an NBA uh contract the NBA look and and honestly looking
back I came I came maybe three or four years too early if I would have came
four years after Steph Curry came in the league M I think my NBA career my
career is completely different and your skill set my skill set all of a
sudden is all of Ates and really really special because they they put such a
high price on three-point shooting nowadays and coming out of college and
actually ncaa.com um came out with uh the best three-point Shooters of this
Century I’m number one on the list um for college basketball you know you go
down the list to number 15 you find Steph Curry on that list and that that
takes into account percentage shots made all those kinds of things and uh
ranked number one so I just I would have had that coming out with the what
Steph Curry created which he’s amazing he had made 123 points the other night
yeah like it breaks my heart to admit it but I I think he’s better at it than
I am I think he’s better but at least in college I was more efficient and I’m
ranked higher than in college well there’s that yeah and so and so NBA says
no you you still have the desire and clearly the Talent uh and you have an an
opportunity comes up mhm yeah to go overseas yeah it was great I knew coming
out of college that overseas might be an option and honestly I embraced it
like this could be really cool I get to go with my with my new wife and have
an adventure across the world just me and her and so Italy came up you know I
got a couple different offers from different places and the Italian League
was like the second best league outside the NBA at that time and it was a
great place for a rookie to go so I went I went to a team that their best
finish was like 16th Place um ever and I was going to have a chance to play
chance to compete and my wife and I went over there we had an adventure we
were in a little town called Tero we to get there you drive from Rome you
drive through like 20 tunnels through these huge mountains um you know the
grand saso was like the biggest mountain in Italy we had drove right through
it and uh in October Bella my oldest daughter was born named her Bella
Italian for beautiful so it kind of makes sense Twilight was coming out that
time soone was like a like Bella like no no no it’s different it’s different
tlight so U had a great year my team finished third in the league from 16th
to third I I was like the third leing scorer in the you’re playing shooting
guard at this point shooting guard y playing shooting guard and I played with
uh a good young team and we just competed and we won games and did things
they’ never done before we kind of skipped over something that happened there
you got married yeah while you were in college yeah between my Junior and
Senior year I got married uh Bailey my wife was kind of my college sweetheart
we met our New Year’s Eve our freshman year of college actually um that was
our first date me her and two of my other teammates in a backseat of a little
Mazda Miata or something in a snowstorm it just was weird um but it was fun
and uh she and I did off and on for the next uh two years and and finally we
got to the point that it was like hey I think this is this is going to work
so we got married in July between our Junior and Senior year was she is she
also an athlete she was a cheerleader oh she was a cheerlead yeah of course
the star star basketball player and the cheerleader and that we met in study
hall not too cliche not too cliche we didn’t me in study hall before I knew
and she didn’t know who I was because she was tutoring you I wish I wish uh
UT Tate has a has a rule for their their uh freshman that they have to go be
do so many study hall hours yeah so we were there in study hall and I I made
kind of a dumb joke kind of made fun of her about being a te a cheerleader
like she come for how to work a chair I like H you know it it landed though
it landed it worked okay it worked and uhle and we end up we end up dating
and yeah we got four beautiful kids together before we mov to Italy because
that I mean I I’ve been fortunate enough to to visit Italy a couple times I
don’t I mean there’s that that’s an unbelievable Place yeah tell me about
Cash Valley Cash Valley uh a great place to go to college a great place to
have a college atmosphere if you play basketball or you ski in the winter
it’s great if you don’t do any of those things Winters get a little Long
Winter can be rough get a little long a little cold but the people there love
you they they embrac me as a local um which is really good uh I I had the
opportunity and that I went out and I spoke to different about 120 different
occasions in my four years of college I mean I spoke from anywhere from you
know Big Church buildings to eight or nine people at a campfire M um and I
drove and I I said yes to everyone I went everywhere spoke to them um
anything I could do to kind of give back and and they really embraced me for
that and for that my senior year I think we set attendance record for most
sellouts um and looking back cuz now nowadays it’s a little different all
these kids are doing online classes and not in class they’re not out in the
community as much yeah and you know us we would be in classes and so the kids
are sitting next to us like oh I’ll go watch this guy I I was like he sit in
class with me and then I go out and I talk to a group of you know three or 4
hundred people in a church building they’re like hey I’ll go watch this guy
play um so we just had we we won games but then we had that PE we were out in
the community the people like yeah I’ll go support well and nowadays you know
the star players on the football basketball team like they’re making more
money than than the president of the University it’s crazy they really are
and I think there’s a balance that these young kids have had to find
especially in the early days of of nil and stuff like that um I know when it
first started it rubbed a lot of people wrong because they MH especially in
Cash Valley because they were used to inviting people like me and Spencer
Nelson and Gary Wilkinson two things and we just show up yeah we’re just
grateful to go there get a bite to eat yeah and all of a sudden they go great
here’s my appearance fee yeah and it just made people go oh this is so ick MH
but I think they found a better balance with it now but early on it was
really rough yeah I think they still need to find some balance in that whole
thing but hopefully they’ll hopefully they’ll figure it out okay when you’re
when you’re going out in in college and you have these speaking opportunities
what’s your message or what did your message develop into yeah my message was
a lot kind of my story like we’ve talked about look um you know at a very
young age I I was willing to I was disciplined I was patient I I sacrificed I
was very goal oriented with young kids I love talking about goals you know I
at 12 years old I wrote I want to be a a professional basketball player um
and so you know set goals but then set a lot of little goals to to go and
Achieve them um to get you there so I love talking about goals I talk about
my experience with the goals I talk about you I talk about my faith um
because a lot of these are are faith-based type type speeches so I talk about
my faith I talk about places where I made the right decision you know I
talked about times where maybe I didn’t make the right decision and and how
that affected My Life um and then just gave them try to give them as much
confidence to go out to the world and and do great things become the best
version of themselves they can so when you’re talking about goals and you’re
talking about your faith did you ever find any times in your life going from
high school to College college to the professional leagues moving overseas
where those are things that you just had to rely on there were difficult
times there were difficult situations all you find yourself alone how have
those things been beneficial in your life yeah uh very much and no one’s
going to go through this life without having struggles without having trials
without without having difficult times I I just won’t I’m not the person
that’s going to sit here and say life is hard because I’ve never felt like
life was hard MH um now I feel like there are difficulties in the way we deal
with them can can just can make it harder or easier so so yeah you know I
remember my first time so I spent two years in Chile man when I when I was in
the airport and they started speaking Spanish tell me where my flight was
tell talk about feeling like I was in a dark place um when I showed up in
granero in a tiny town and I’m walking around and it start getting dark I’m
goi